October 29, 2007
Dupont Circle Apartments Are Expensive

We're certainly woe to make the poor soul who was evicted from the tony condo building The Flats at Dupont Circle, at 20th and N Streets NW, this morning feel any worse. But after being tipped off by a resident of the building to the eviction and subsequent dumping of all of this woman's worldly belongings on the street corner, we couldn't help but feel it makes a rather striking image when you consider this building advertises such amenities as 24-hour valet parking and a Pilates/yoga studio with bamboo floors.
D.C. has pretty strong pro-tenant laws, so we certainly hope this person knew they could seek help from the DC Tenants Advocacy Coalition. Good luck finding a new place to live, whoever you are.

Notice the sign above advertising openings in the building. Evidently.





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Well, if it helps, she can move into my bike.
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nice to see that the jackasses who run the building are such good corporate citizens that they dump stuff right on the street where it can pollute our city and end up in the drains on its way down to our rivers.
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If this place really is luxury apartments, I'm surprised they would trash up the front like that. Great way to get new tenants.
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To me, that doesn't look like all someone's worldly belongings - it looks more like someone's leftovers after they moved out. From the pictures, it looks like - what? - 3-4 boxes' worth of stuff, and no furniture? I live in a studio, and I got rid of most of my stuff before I moved here, but I've got to have easily 4-5 times as much crap, not counting my bed and other big things. Maybe it's someone who at the last minute realized they couldn't fit everything into their U-Haul, or someone who moved overseas, or something.
Of course I could just be wrong, though.
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I thought sidewalk evictions were illegal in DC.
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It does sort of look like someone's leftover items.
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Kind of a pointless/inconsiderate post, but anyway, holy shit! (from the website):
483 sq. ft. Studio/Eff:
Starting $2,340
750 sq. ft. 1 Bedroom, 1 Bath:
Starting $2,740
PLUS $500/mo "common area amenity" fee.
That is nuts.
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you call that an eviction?!?!
Now this is an eviction:
http://dc.metblogs.com/archives/2007/09/tenant_eviction.phtml
I have absolutely no problem with this kind of action. From what I've seen, DC is very pro-tenant, so it takes a lot for things to progress to that stage.
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Wow. Quite the biased editorializing without any actual reporting. First, how do we know the building ownerss put this stuff out? I live next to an apartment building, and every time a tenant moves out they leave stuff like this on the sidewalk..... Apparently they think it is up to someone else to bag it all up and dispose of it for them.
Second, if this is an evictionhow do we know the tenant didn't deserve it? It is unbelievably hard to get a legal eviction in DC, even after a tenant trashes the place an doesn't pay rent for months.
Sommer- Is it safe to assume you've never owned a rental apartment and had someone trash the place and stiff you for thousands of dollars? From the tone of this article I assume you can't even imagine that's possible. That's a shame, since imagining all possibilities is what reporters are supposed to do.
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But, then, it wouldn't be a DCist article if it didn't use the most tired and inflammatory rhetoric to demonize landlords yet again.... At least we can count on that consistency ( prior warnings about hobgoblins and little minds be damned).
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Holy shit! Who the hell pays $3,000/month for 483 sq. ft. in D.C.? Those are fucking Manhattan prices!
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Rent control only "works" in rent controlled buildings, which are getting fewer and fewer every day in DC. Don't know what the threshold is, but it comes down to square footage: take a large rent-controlled unit and chop it into two or more efficiencies: boom. No more rent controlled apartment.
I'm pretty sure $3k a month is standard pricing in and around Dupont. It's percieved as "safe" and "clean" compared to "edgy" Columbia Heights, "hirsute" Eckington, and "shooting gallery" Ivy City, where prices are cheaper.
You can get an efficiency for closer to $2,800 in those neighborhoods.
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Honestly, Hillman...it's a blog...A BLOG!!!! She's not doing HARD reporting. I doubt that the DCist folks get two sources before reporting things. She heard there was an eviction so she went to look into it. Relax!
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Yeah, I agree that this looks more like abandoned stuff than evicted stuff (but I doubt the apartment complex is the one that left it there; I would think they'd have dumpsters for this). I'll note that blue folder is just begging to be used for identity theft. Although, perhaps this woman's identity isn't worth thieving.
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Studios in Dupont are not this much money.
I live in 450 sq ft studio in Dupont for about $1300/mo.
When I was looking for studios in the area, they were about 1100-1700 - depending on size and amenities. A few were above that, but i never saw 3K for a studio.
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If you're getting evicted, you KNOW you're getting evicted. It's not a surprise. I'm sure she had time to get the stuff she wanted and just couldn't be bothered to dispode of the rest properly.
Not everyone who gets put out is a victim of gentrifcation and is being kept down by "the man." Perhaps this one was living way beyond her means or was just too irresposnible and it caught up with her. Or, maybe she just moved out and her sense of entitlement told her that it was someone else's job to clean up her crap.
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Guest121:
Even blogs should at least try to present things factually. If not, there should be a big disclaimer. Something like "We reserve the right to just make shit up and/or ignore relevant facts when it suits our limited world view."
The bigger problem is the fairly idiotic and shopworn "all landlords/developers are evil fried-baby-eaters and all evicted tenants are sweet rays of golden dewey sunshine" mantra that infects this piece (and most other DCist articles on housing issues in DC).
Even though I did enjoy parts of the snarky tone as a theoretical pleasure. If only DCist could use that Snark Power for more worthy 'victims'.
Also, I may be wrong on this, but I've heard that at least some eviction orders specify that belongings will be put on the street so that the evicted person has a chance to come collect their crap. Even if it's not in the eviction order, many landlords do it to give tenants one last chance to get their worthless beanie baby collection (turns out you couldn't retire on that investment after all) and their boxes of Landlord-Hatin' Monthly (special centerfold issues of How to Screw Your Landlord in Ten Fun-filled Calorie-Burnin' Steps runs in nearly every issue).
Monkey: I had know idea Eckington was hirsute. It's always been my dream to live in a hirsute hood.
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Pshaw, I pay 1400 a month for my 500 ft. studio two blocks from that building (two blocks closer to the Circle, that is). And my building has a gym, although it doesn't have bamboo floors. 2400 a month is unheard of as far as I'm concerned. I mean, 1400 is still more than I would like to pay, but I'm too lazy to move after being there 5 years and the rent creeps up every year...
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Heh. Earlier, I was going to say, "cue Hillman rant about 'stealing' from landlords in 3...2..1" but I didn't.
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Hillman = Landlord
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Hillman - Eckington may be hirsute, but it's not nearly as bear-friendly as Capitol Hill once was. It's practically a santorum-rimmed country bear jamberoo! Just ask Larry Craig.
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And nothing Sommer wrote was false. She said she got a tip that there was an eviction so she went, took a picture and mentioned that the evictee could get help. That doesn't necessarily mean the evictee could get help taking the landlord to court. Maybe the help was to get the evictee back on his/her feet?
You're just sensitive. You should change your tag from Hillman to Hillninny.
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"I doubt that the DCist folks get two sources before reporting things."
Wow, that's a defense?
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It is a defense. It's a blog meaning that I doubt they take the time to get two hard sources on something. They hear something they print it. IT'S A BLOG!!!!!!
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It's not actually that hard to get an eviction in DC. And while on the one hand you could say, "hey, they didn't pay their rent for 3 months," on the other you could say, "it's a shitty economy and it might take someone a few months to get their things in order."
You want to be heartless, or not, in other words.
And yeah, that might not be a lot of stuff, but what if she moved out most everything before the boom fell and that's what was left?
All I'm saying is, beware the bad karma for taking any of that stuff or being condescending about someone else's troubles.
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GBert:
Nope. You didn't have to. My response was a given. Talk about consistency and hobgoblins....
It's worth noting, though, that in all my experience with pointing out how people do in fact think it's ok to steal from landlords I've never had a single person be able to justify on rational grounds why they feel are entitled to such theft. Usually they just get all pissy and refuse to respond once they realize it is in fact unjustifiable. Of course, that didn't stop them from mouthing off about their entitlement in the first place.
I wouldn't have to rant like this if it weren't for this abiding idiotic entitlement idea in the first place. But, yes, as long as people post inflammatory class-divisive drivel like this piece then I'm going to respond (albeit admittedly in overkill). But, hey, we all get our cheap jollies somehow, and now that I'm getting older and am not all that good-looking or interesting I've got to get mine somehow....
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"They hear something they print it. IT'S A BLOG!!!!!!"
OK, I guess I bow to your capital letters and exclamation points. Still sounds kind of flimsy to me, though.....
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All these comments and no one has complained about the name of that building the The Flats at Dupont Circle Apartments? Redundant much?
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one comment on E in DC: you don't always know you're being evicted when the landlord proceeds with an illegal eviction. i'm not saying it happened in this case, but it happens every day.... and in a legal eviction, the us marshalls do dump your stuff on the street.
Tenants: two resources for you follow
The Chief Tenant Advocate advocates for, educates, and provides outreach for tenants in the District of Columbia. The Office of the Tenant Advocate was established to respond to concerns about DC's tenants including the fact that tenants often don't know their legal rights as renters, tenants frequently can't pay for legal representation and tenants usually don't know how to use lower-cost court mediation and adjudication services.
From its creation until recently, the Office of the Tenant Advocate was housed within the Department of Consumer and Regulatory Affairs. As of October 2007, the Office of the Tenant Advocate is fully independent.
As part of the Office of the Tenant Advocate's transition to independent status the office launched its website earlier this month. The website provides information about the Office of the Tenant Advocate and how to contact us. There are links to various DC offices/agencies, HUD, DC Housing Authority and nonprofit legal help. The website is still under construction and future features will include an educational tutorial designed to educate and test your knowledge regarding rental information and laws in the District of Columbia as well as a registry of tenant associations.
Please visit the Office of the Tenant Advocate at http://ota.dc.gov.
DC Law Students in Court is a 501(c)(3) organization that does Landlord-Tenant law on a pro bono basis, only assisting tenants. They are open M, W, & F at their Chinatown offices (806 7th St NW Ste 300) and M-F at the Landlord-Tenant Courthouse 9:30-1:30. Stop by or call in for free legal advice (202) 638-4798. www.dclawstudents.org
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Monkey:
We used to have a house here on the Hill that was always rented to bears. For years it was a never-ending supply of chubby hairy gay guys and a whole string of plaid flannel shirts. Then, perhaps in a sign of the times, a family with kids moved in.
Those boys had some hellaciously good barbecues.
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Change my name to Hillninny? That's the best you've got? Really?
As for the suggestion that this evicted tenant contact the tenant's rights organization (who, but the way, makes the stunningly stupid statement that they represent 'all tenants')......
How about this? How about the tenant not rent a $3000 a month apartment (assuming they were)? I'd think that would be the first step toward 'getting help'.
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123abc:
Are you a tenants 'rights' advocate?
If so, I'm curious....
Do you always take every tenant case, regardless of circumstance?
Do you ever seek input from the landlord before taking action?
Is the outcome you seek a preservation of the tenant in the apartment regardless of whether they have paid for the apartment or been a reliable tenant or not?
Could you describe the process?
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I think we've figured out why the place is $3k a month: the longer and more pretentious the name, the higher the pricetag.
Try getting an efficiency for less than $3k a month at "The Chalfontempletonsorial Renaissance Park Lofts at the Colostomycenae Vistas: An Exclusive Community of Tastefully Furnished Gloryholes." The cleaning bill alone will set you back more than the monthly parking space.
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For the record, the website lists efficiencies available for under $2k, still a lot, but substantially less than the $3k quoted above.
Also, this is a brand new building (opened in the past year or two).
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I thought by definition gloryholes were at best minimalist..... it always kills my boner if the gloryhole is too gussied up..... then it looks like that hole in the wall between stalls didn't just happen there by chance or was punched there by someone with serious sexual repression issues, thus ruining the whole idea...
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I live in the building. One of the managers confirmed that it was indeed an eviction, but said that they are physically conducted by the Marshal Service, not by buildings.
The pile of stuff shown did look like "leftovers", but I heard that it had been picked over a lot (recycling of a sort). Early in the morning, the pile was much bigger, including what appeared to be a DVD player.
I don't know anything about DC eviction regulations, but share the concerns about identify theft and the general tackiness of the process. I would imagine that the tenant had notice (the building is run pretty professionally), but it was a sad site. Thanks to the DCist photographer for capturing the scene, contrasting the glamorous promotional materials for the building with the pile of junk.
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This post should have been called "Free Shit: 20th and N!!!"
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So...did anyone (by which I mean any DCist bloggers) call the (pathetically over-priced) Homes Flats at Dupont Circle Apartments Lofts Efficiencies Pads and ask what happened?
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Yes, Hillninny is the best I've got. Made me giggle. God I hate my life.
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#36: Yes, in DC, all evictions are carried out by the local US Marshals Service office. By that point the tenant has usually had court notice that they're being evicted, and that if they do not vacate the premises their belongings will be removed from the apartment or house. Happened infrequently in the last rental building I lived in, and just happened recently in my co-op after a member declined to pay his monthly charges for over a year.
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My cousin got evicted from her Pentagon City apartment without a real warning. There were notices sent out to everyone that *someone* was playing their music too loudly, but the management never confronted her directly about it. They didn’t go as far as to move her stuff to the curb, but they did tell her she had to be out in two weeks with no prior notification. I’m not defending her—I think she was being really inconsiderate by knowingly playing loud and disruptive music-- but the management should have at least had a talk with her before kicking her out.
To me this looks like leftover junk that the person didn’t want when they moved out. A lot of people throw away perfectly good things because they can’t be bothered to move them to their new place.
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"We used to have a house here on the Hill that was always rented to bears. For years it was a never-ending supply of chubby hairy gay guys and a whole string of plaid flannel shirts. Then, perhaps in a sign of the times, a family with kids moved in.
Those boys had some hellaciously good barbecues. "
Sure they did, if you like finding hair in your food.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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Southwest DC: What happened to your cousin was not an eviction.
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I was IN my kitchen, I HEARD it, so I came OUT...
*sigh* i was hoping that instead of an actual eviction, it was just a stone-cold break-up with a jilted lover... but then "ah, l'amor..." just rings better than "ah, tenant rights..."
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Everett:
It's not hard to get an eviction in DC?
That's just not true. DC has some of the most pro-tenant eviction laws in the nation. All the tenant has to to is request continuances indefinitely, which they often do. Then they dream up other crap to extend the time period to as long as a year or more. There's even a provision that says you can't be evicted if the temperature falls below a certain point.
And DC's economy isn't 'shitty'. It's booming. Area unemployment is at historically low levels.
And why does that even matter, even if it were true? Do you get to go to your employer and tell him you understand the economy is shitty and tell him he doesn't have to pay you for three months or more, or until he feels like it some vague time in the future? I mean, you wouldn't want to be 'heartless' and demand an income, would you?
Do you expect your grocery store or dry cleaners to give you free shit for 3 months or longer because 'the economy is shitty', and you may or may not pay them sometime in the future?
No? Why not? I mean, they'd be 'heartless' if they refused, right?
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The Washington City Paper ran this story on how to screw your landlord:
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/display.php?id=1958
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People pay that much because they think it's chic.
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Do you get to go to your employer and tell him you understand the economy is shitty and tell him he doesn't have to pay you for three months or more, or until he feels like it some vague time in the future? I mean, you wouldn't want to be 'heartless' and demand an income, would you?
Hillman, you have got to stop using this disingenuous analogy (although I know disingenuous analogies are kind of your M.O.).
Renters are not their landlord's employer.
Landlords are businesspeople. Every industry has it's own unique set of regulations. When the product you're dealing in is people's homes, there are going to be protective regulations in order to limit the number of families/individuals that lose their homes. You can take issue with the particular laws, but this crap about delinquent renters "stealing" their landlord's income is nonsense.
In any business, there are risk factors involved. Debtors go bankrupt or default or whatever; disputes are handled within whatever regulations apply. This is no different.
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Gbert:
Just because you can't answer the question doesn't make it a disengenous analogy.
Rental income is just that - income.
Just like the income you get from your employer.
Just like the income a grocer gets from his corner store.
When you take a service from someone and refuse to pay for it, that's stealing.
It really is that simple.
The difference is people don't like landlords and assume (often incorrectly) that landlords are all super rich, so their tiny and stunted little moral compasses tell them that it's ok to steal from them.
The difference here is people like you and Sommer feel like it's morally correct to take this particular commodity (an apartment) and refuse to pay for it. Yet you don't think it's correct to take groceries and refuse to pay for them, and you don't think that your employer has a right to take your salary from you. At least, I'm assuming you don't think it's correct. But who knows - maybe you think it's fine to take things and don't pay for them, regardless of what they are. Or does that moral elasticity apply only to apartment rentals?
I'm simply asking you to justify that moral selectivity bullshit with a rational explanation.
So far you haven't done so.
You got an answer?
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The difference here is people like you and Sommer feel like it's morally correct to take this particular commodity (an apartment) and refuse to pay for it.
No, I don't think that, and I never said it. Neither did Sommer, matter of fact. Along with disingenuous analogies, projecting statements and beliefs onto others is also part of your MO.
I'm just calling you out on your usual predictable bullshit rhetorical tricks. I'm not commenting on the situation at hand, or making any kind of anti-landlord argument. I've made absolutely NO moral commentary of any kind; you are the self-appointed morality police around here.
Rental income is business income. It IS NOT salary. Business income is subject to regulatory and marketplace liabilities that salary is not. That's my one and only point.
Why I'm arguing with you, I have no idea; you'll just use your inexhaustible supply of contorted rhetoric to hammer away until I tire of this. I bet you think you always 'win' these things just because nobody can outlast you.
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So, still no answer, I see.
This is not a regulatory issue. It's a moral one.
But you are right in that I assigned certain thought patterns to you and Sommer primarily because you were defending an evicted person and assigning them automatic victimhood.
I suppose I should have asked why they get automatic victimhood before continuing on to the inevitable conclusion. My mistake, which I apologize for.
So now that I've apologized, how about answering the question?
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you were defending an evicted person and assigning them automatic victimhood.
No, I wasn't. Again you project an opinion onto me in order to further your argument. It's a straw man technique.
I said that laws regulating rents, evictions, etc. are part of doing business as a landlord.
Take issue with the laws - that's all well and good - but don't equate lost rental income with withheld salary or theft.
As for your "question," it is, as always, unanswerable because it's based on a false premise:
"I'm simply asking you to justify that moral selectivity bullshit with a rational explanation."
I did not make any morally selective judgments, therefore I have nothing to explain. But since I "refuse to answer the question," again you "win."
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Uh, not really. You were all over defending Sommers' idiotic original story expressing shock and horror that someone is kicked out of their apartment (when the far and away most common reason for eviction in DC is nonpayment of rent) and you were attacking me for suggesting otherwise (to the idiotic point of calling me "Hillninny", for some odd reason).
So I'm simply asking why, and asking you to justify.
But don't feel bad. You aren't the only one that's refused to answer this question when posed. In fact, no one has ever been able to answer it.
It's not a question of winning or losing. It's a question of having idiotic ideas of entitlement exposed for what they are - selectively applied BS and selfishness based on dislike of what someone does for a living.
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Hillman, you're confusing me with guest121.
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You are right. My apologies. That's what happens when I get wrapped up in a rant.
Again, I'm sorry.
But, heck, I'll ask you the same question. Care to answer? Since you attacked my comparison and said that my premise that people that refuse to pay rent are stealing was 'nonsense', how about explaining how it isn't stealing, or how it's different than refusing to pay for groceries or refusing to pay someone their salary, from a moral perspective (we've already established that it may be legal, at least until the actual eviction takes place).
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Um... Stuff is put on the sidewalk because the tenant has lost the legal right to occupy another person's/entity's property and, said stuff being said tenant's property, it can't just summarily be thrown away. The evicted person is generally given 48 hours to claim it and move it to a location of their choosing.
So, the crappy sidewalk is the price you pay for not kicking someone to the curb *and* stealing/throwing away/paying to store said tenant's stuff.
Geez. Do a little research, all.
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Oh my God! What is it with all that mess? If this is the way it looks from the outside then I imagine how it looks inside. I suppose they have a really modern furniture.