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April 3, 2008

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I thought Metro did a fine job as well. But worries me, however, is that it appeared to be "an all-hands evolution" for Metro. Metro clearly was planning for the crush and planned manpower and trains accordingly.

However, I got the sense that it was made easier by the fact that the game was on a Sunday, and wasn't competing with the usual evening rush hour. I am concerned with the prospect of a week-long homestand where the crowds will be competing with the thousands of commuters trying to get home in the evening.

I guess we'll see.

 

I get the feeling the process was actually smoother for people connecting to other lines than for those of us who live farther up on the Green Line. A coworker who lives in Del Ray was home in less than an hour (good transfer at L'Enfant). It took me an hour and a half to get home and I live a 15 minute walk from the Columbia Heights station. I mean, I understand why they turn a bunch of the trains back at Mt. Vernon Square (that's where the crossover track is, plus 75% of the passengers got off at L'Enfant and Gallery Place) but it seemed we waited a pretty long time for a train that would take us all the way home.

Not that I'm complaining. Well, except that I kind of am.

 

Wow, esmerelda - I cant believe it took you THAT long! I think I was stadium seat to door in 45 minutes and I live about 10 minutes from U Street.

My train originally was supposed to end at Mt Vernon, but changed halfway through to Greenbelt. Maybe they should keep a few more green liners going all the way up to Ft Totten.

I also think a part of people were secretly hoping that metro would fail so they'd have something to complain about.

 

Jim Graham consistently ends all of his emails, listserv postings, etc with "Bests."

 

Getting to the ballpark by any mode will be a learning process for all involved. Metro did a good job for opening night, and with time, traveling to and from games will be like second nature.

I really wondered with all the consternation if anyone lamenting the horrors to come had ever been to a baseball game at Wrigley, Fenway, or any of the other ballparks located within a city.

 

Overall, my experience on opening day was great. I kept waiting for a moment to complain and there weren't really many (though it was pretty jam packed getting off the train to walk up to the stadium entrance. I know the station has been enlarged, but I think they put in some twists and turns that cause a bit of a traffic jam in spots. Once we got off teh train we sort of shuffled up towards the gates. Very minor, though).

One oddity though related to Esmeralda's comment:

I understand why they turn a bunch of the trains back at Mt. Vernon Square
I was on a green line train that was labeled as ending at Mt. Vernon. But when it reached Mt. Vernon it suddenly switched to ending at Greenbelt. My friend and I hopped off, realized the change that had only occurred at that stop after the doors opened, and hopped back on exchanging confused comments with other passengers assuring us that we weren't totally crazy.

 
I really wondered with all the consternation if anyone lamenting the horrors to come had ever been to a baseball game at Wrigley, Fenway, or any of the other ballparks located within a city.
Yeah, I wonder that too. I was happy with the metro process in getting there, but as we were walking on the red carpet into the stadium a couple behind me said, "Lesson learned; don't take metro to the game." My friend turned around and said, "That actually wasn't bad at all. Are you going to drive? Good luck with that." I mean, it's 40,000 people all converging on one location. It would be impossible not to have congestion no matter how smoothly any system runs.

Also, I second ces12's original comment about more clearly marking SmarTrip lanes before getting to the turnstile. This worked in my favor because I was already on the left side where the SmarTrip lanes happen to be. But there were plenty of people who didn't realize this was the case until they reached the turnstile and had to quickly push to their right.

 

So, in order to keep the trains on time, Metro is going to skip stops, making their passengers waiting on the platforms or exiting at the skipped stations not on time.

Huh?

 

The trick at Fenway was always to grab drinks before/after the game in order to avoid the crush on the T. I also think the MBTA is able to run the trains on their Green Line at closer headways. I seem to remember trains being lined up at Kenmore waiting for the game to let out, and following right behind each other. The closest WMATA will let their trains run is (I believe) 135 seconds apart. Of course, you can also get around 1,000 people on an 8-car Metro train, and you can't get nearly that many on a 2-car T.

The crush shouldn't be so bad once the Half Street development is up and running and there is actually something to do near the ballpark.

 

Bethesdaist, they're not skipping stops. They're simply not running all of the Green Line trains all the way to Greenbelt. It makes sense, given that most people are transfering to other lines at L'Enfant and Gallery Place. They can turn trains around at Mt. Vernon and send them back to pick up more people at Navy Yard.

 

esmeralda: i think Bethesdaist is talking about the last line of the post:

Just a reminder: Metrorail operators can — and will — skip stops for the sake of timeliness.

Bethesdaist: i'm with you. i work in Bethesda, and i don't know how many times i've had to get off at Friendship Heights because the train op decided to skip Bethesda--the place most of the passengers were going (at least it seems that way, from the number that disembark). and this is at 10am, a time when i wouldn't think it'd be as big a deal to be one stop's worth of time behind.

not to mention how many times i've seen them skip Medical Center--the only other stop i use up here. really? is it that important that we get to Shady Grove in the middle of the day exactly on time?

 

Esmeralda, read the last linked article in the Blog post. WTOP's article is about skipping stops, which is to Bethesdaist's point.

Bethesdaist, it's weird logic. (1) The trains speed anyway, and the ones that don't irritate me now because they aren't going as fast. May be a guy thing, I dunno. But if a train is running behind schedule, chances are the train behind it is less than 3 minutes behind. The only instance I have of a train skipping a stop was one time when a Red Line train overshot the Dupont Circle station and had to skip it. It proceeded to Woodley Park which created angst.

But then again, when doesn't Metro create angst?

 

Operators do not decide when to skip stops, Central Control does.

"is it that important that we get to Shady Grove in the middle of the day exactly on time?"

Theoretically, it could be. Depends on how late the train is and how much padding is in the schedule for turnarounds. If the train is late to SG, then it could be late leaving SG, then it would be late to Glenmont, etc, etc. If you're too far behind schedule, the only way to make up time is to skip stops.

 

hmmm voteprime, i wonder if we were on the same train. I definitely got off the train and had to get back on and I lost my seat :(

 
hmmm voteprime, i wonder if we were on the same train. I definitely got off the train and had to get back on and I lost my seat :(
And we probably got off at the same stop because I live about 10 minutes from U Street as well.
 

Politburo: i understand the domino effect of a late train--perhaps there's a way (or a hundred) to keep the trains from getting backed up (i don't know, wider doors that encourage people to board and offload using more than a single-file line? cattle prods for tourists? setting schedules that take these every-freaking-day delays into account? express trains?), as opposed to skipping stops--especially stops where a majority of the train is going? if you've already waited at your original station for 10 minutes for a train, and then waited 6 minutes for a train at the transfer stop, then have to get off before your stop to take the next train--even one only 2 or 3 minutes behind--well, it starts to add up. not to mention waiting at a station only to watch a train skip you.

i know this isn't the biggest problem metro has, but it's one more drop in an overflowing bucket of frustration.

 

Sorry Esmerelda -- I should have been specific to which post I was referring to. I was on a Red Line train that was skipping stops, and of course they skipped the stop here I was trying to go. Glad I caught the announcement, but it was still confusing (and no, another train wasn't right behind it.)

As for baseball, I'm really glad everything went well with the opener, and I hope they keep the good service up in the future. While they are at it, they might want to take a look at improving service for after Caps games, as service was pretty shabby after the last game I attended.

 

mr. t: thanks for pointing out that graham signs everything with "bests".

aaron: if you're going to make snarky comments like that (re: graham's supposed smugness), it would help to make sure you're absolutely sure of what you're talking about.

 
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