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July 24, 2008

Cops Ticket Cyclists at New Hampshire and U Street

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The intersection of U Street, 16th Street and New Hampshire Ave. in Northwest has long been a perilous spot for pedestrians and cyclists alike. It's just a weird confluence of two major thoroughfares plus a diagonal avenue that runs one-way, in opposite directions, for one block only on either side. If you've ever tried to cross U Street on foot there, you know just how unpredictable the flow of traffic can be. Last year DDOT was even considering cutting off vehicle access to New Hampshire from the intersection in an effort to make the crosswalks less dangerous.

So it is with mixed feelings that we post this photo and account from reader Travis Moore, who was caught in a bicycle road trap set up by the MPD on the section of New Hampshire Ave. that runs one-way northeast from the intersection this week (take a look at the spot here). Cops were out issuing tickets to cyclists who were heading down the block in the wrong direction. Says Moore:

"...while I understand the need to address the perceived problems of “scofflaw cyclists,” ticketing people on that stretch of road is a highly irrational response. I understand that it’s a one way street, and that in most cases, riding down a one way is dangerous and shouldn’t be attempted. But anyone who bikes in the city will tell you that if you’re heading south towards Dupont Circle from the U St corridor, this street is the only stretch of road which is even moderately safe to ride on. There are zero bike lanes that offer an alternative route.

By ticketing people on that stretch the DC police is effectively mandating that cyclists take to either 14th or 16th streets, which are two of the busiest roads in the district, and on which cars (and trucks and commuter buses) frequently traveling at speeds of over 50 mph. It’s just insane. I’m all for encouraging biking by the rules, but this isn’t smart policy. It’s downright dangerous, in fact."

I've definitely ridden the wrong way down this block, so I know what Moore is talking about. Riding south on 16th Street in that area during rush hour can be quite scary. But then again, 14th Street does have a bike lane, and is far easier to navigate legally. Add in the already confusing and dangerous nature of this intersection, and it's hard to say for sure whether cyclists coming through from a street that should not be producing traffic from that direction are doing the right thing here.

What do you think about Moore's argument? Is ticketing cyclists on this block a good step toward making this intersection less chaotic? Or is the MPD being overzealous in this case?

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I think he's absolutely right. The only way to really be safe riding is to avoid the traffic. Bikers should be able to do that anyway possible. I can't count the number of times I've almost died around that area b/c of cabs doing illegal U turns or people just speeding. Tell you what...if this happens to me...I'm running.

 

Ride the sidewalk on this section of New Hampshire. If it's not in the CBD, it's not illegal.

Begin flaming in 3... 2... 1...

 

this makes me happy for two reasons:

1. our police officers are actually doing something other than sitting in front of the 7 Eleven.

2. bikers in this town break traffic laws nonstop! stop signs? f*&! 'em. one way streets? who cares? and then when you almost hit them with your car as they run a stop sign or traffic light, they give you and evil stare or flip you off as if you were the one at fault.

i say the more tickets given to disobedient bikers the better.

*ducks and runs for cover*

 

This city is absolutely farking ridonkulous. You've got to be kidding me. My tax dollars are paying for this?

 

I'm with GhettoBurbs--since they changed the traffic pattern in front of the new Harris Teeter to make Kalorama NW one-way, I've been biking on the sidewalk.

I'm also with Moore's argument--this is the absloute wrong response by MPD to the traffic issue around that intersection.

 

cyclists = Union Station photographers = terrorists.

 

I'm a bike commuter and I started riding this block of NH after my previous route felt too unsafe.
I have never felt great about riding the wrong way on that street, but I didn't know of any good alternatives - the sidewalk's not a bad suggestion.

However, w/r/t to the 14th st. comment - 14th is only safe below U st. ABOVE that point, it gets a rating of "poor" on the DC bike map. Columbia Heights folks (and those north of that) have an extremely difficult time connecting all of the safe routes into 1 continuous route downtown. The best I could do was include a very unsafe section Florida and the one-way section of NH into my otherwise very safe route.

 

McGillicuddy - By that rationale, shaking down hookers is "doing something" instead of loitering at 7-11.

The heirarchy of traffic ticketing goes like this:

1. Moving violations
2. Parking violations
3. Bike violations
4. Pedestrian violations
5. Shaking down hookers

I'd have no problem with 3 so long as they're spending proportionally more time on 1 and 2. The 5 they need to farm out to a locally owned private contractor. Like, say, E-Rotic Solutions, Ltd. (A Wholly Owned Subsidiary of Halliburton, Inc.)

Here's my card.

 

And that cop looks like he's been spending a little too much time at Cakelove. Somebody get his ass on a bike patrol STAT.

 

It's cool as long as the rules are applied to everyone. we'll see what hapens, but I strongly doubt any drives will be ticketed for running stops, invading the crosswalk, etc. The auto lobby is much stronger than WABA.

 

monkey, i'm all for shaking down hookers, but i wouldn't be surprised if our fine police force interpreted that as meaning 'dancing with them under the sheets'.

and i agree that they should give out more moving/parking violations, particularly to our insane posse of cab drivers (and anyone with VA or MD plates). i just feel like bikers in this town want their cake and to eat it too.

 

I don't know.

As a cyclist, I think this is fine. Going through stop signs and red lights when it's completely clear are okay—I really believe—but biking on a one-way-street is not cool.

I've been riding the correct way on a one-way and have been approached by another cyclist going in the wrong direction on the same side of the street. There wasn't enough room for both of us.

 

Just because you're on a bike doesn't mean you get to ignore all the rules. The roads would be a lot safer for EVERYONE (including PEDESTRIANS, who often have to weave through bikers and cars, both of whom are being navigated by people who believe they have the right to run the road their way and screw everyone else) if people would just suck it up and follow the traffic laws. And that means not biking the wrong way down a one-way street.

I'm sick of bikers getting off easy because they're on bikes. I've almost been killed and/or pushed into traffic by bikers far more often than drivers. And the times I've had bad encounters with drivers is usually the product of their attempts to avoide reckless bikers. I'm often on FOOT in DC, because I don't like to drive in the city. I take the metro, then I WALK. Who's looking out for me?

Seriously, bikers, stfu.

 

F**k is the point of even HAVING a cake if you can't eat the muthaf***er? F**k is that s**t all about? What the hell am I supposed to do with this s**t? Look at it? Put it on the mantle? Put little doilies around it. Hell NO! I'm going to eat the f**k out of that muthaf***er!

This is like motorcycle helmet laws. All the bikers get pissy when the nanny state tells them to wear a helmet. So they get rid of the helmet law and most of the pissy bikers end up wearing one ANYWAY. So I say fuggit. You want to risk being roadkill? Fine. Knock yourself out. Literally. All over the damned road. Because when you put your hand into a bunch of goo that was your best friends' FACE, then you'll know. Aw, forget it Jake. It's Chinatown.

 

This reminds me of when, about a year and half ago, MPD began ticketing jaywalkers after incidents where pedestrians got run over. Even though the victims were not themselves jaywalking when they got run over.

 

who bikes slow enough through stop signs to be stopped by a cop?

lame.

pedal faster.

 

As an FYI, as part of the 16th Street Corridor Study, the District Department of Transportation is strongly considering allowing two way bike traffic on both one way sections of New Hampshire Ave (one north of U, one south of U) to accomodate what is clearly a desireable route for cyclists. In the meantime, it is illegal for cyclists to ride against traffic on any one way street.

If you use that route to get to Dupont, we recommend turning right on V, crossing 16th and turning left onto 17th then right on NH. It's a bit out of the way, but the route is on low volume streets and completely legal.

If you are unclear of the laws as they relate to cyclists, we have an excellent pocket guide to DC bike laws that's available at http://www.waba.org/wabastore/. Soon these will be distributed at all police district stations and we hope will be distributed to the police themselves. DC bike maps with designated bike routes are also available.

Eric
WABA

 

Are they going to start ticketing riders for not having bells on their bikes, too?

This is ridiculous. Only once in DC have I seen a car pulled over for anything other than DWB. Cars drive the wrong way down Ives Pl SE after dropping off their kids at school (most have MD plates, FYI, they are "The Devil") and not once have I seen an officer give a second look... Can't we put this officer in Trinidad where he's needed?

 

hey rules is rules. biking is my primary means of transportation and I ride to work daily. I've got no problem with enforcement but isn't this putting the cart in front of the horse?

I am a proud scofflaw waiting to be Novak'd and I know my day is coming, accident or enforcement. But this highlights how cyclists are stuck between a rock and hard place with regards to obeying rules. Another prime example of this is M st. through Georgetown. It's a parking lot during the evening rush hour and with lots of illegal parked cars in the curb lane cyclists are forced to weave through traffic between lanes. It's illegal and unsafe but I do it rather than going a block or two north of M street just to head west.

So I say enforce away and we'll gladly pay (clever, no?) but do us cyclists a favor and put every single bit of that revenue into improving cycling routes so we can all go about lives.

 

I agree that this citation was ridiculous, but it's only a block and there are two rarely crowded sidewalks...not that difficult to detour on a sidewalk for one block. Just be curteous to the pedestrians!

 

"As a cyclist, I think this is fine. Going through stop signs and red lights when it's completely clear are okay—I really believe—but biking on a one-way-street is not cool."

I agree. When you go through a stop sign or red light (safely, when it's clear, and never at such a speed that you can't know what's coming before you enter intersection), you're able to know exactly what's coming and whether the intersection will be clear for the entire time you'll be in it. When you go the wrong way on a one-way street, you are making a prediction that for the next few minutes, there won't be cars coming down it, or a garbage truck, or several cyclists going the right way. And you have no way of knowing if those predictions will actually be correct.

On those occasions when you need to get someplace that is down a one-way street, get on the sidewalk for the block or two it takes to get where you're going.

 

I was caught in this this morning too. I actually usually take the sidewalk on this stretch, but it was thronged with pedestrians this morning, and from the comments I've read before on DCist, everyone walking hates bikes on sidewalks. I didn't want to irritate people, and since there's construction on V Street between New Hampshire and 16th Street right now, this was the safest option.

Also, that stretch of New Hampshire is at least twice as wide as necessary for a one lane one-way street, and is rarely used at that hour of the morning. While sitting there for 30 minutes to get my ticket (he was not the fastest ticket-writer, and there were a lot of us), I saw fewer cars drive by than cyclists told to pull over.

Also, those lucky ones who saw my frantic waving and turned around while the officer wasn't looking -- you're welcome.

Here are my pics from this morning on flickr.

 

When you go the wrong way on a one-way street, you are making a prediction that for the next few minutes

A few minutes to go 2 blocks? Who's on the bike? Estelle Getty?

 

THANKS BE TO GOD! That the police are finally on those bikers. I mean if the police should be worried about anything in this town, if they should set up sting operations, and road blocks, and pull people over, it should be cyclists with little helmets and khakis! Those cyclists are the most dangerous things on the streets. When something goes bump in my house at night, I jump up looking for my commemorative Heller handgun thinking "there must be cyclist in the house!"

 

Correction: 14th does have a bike lane, but not until SOUTH of U Street .

Therefore, when one is biking south, they have no choice but to either share either 14th or 16th street with cars (and trucks and buses), or take the New Hampshire Ave cut through.

 

Oh, and that cop really needs to bike more.

 

I say, leave the cyclists alone, and go after the criminals responsible for the uptick in robberies in Columbia Heights.

 

While I am generally happy to see the MPD enforcing traffic violations, the priority should be on DRIVERS, not cyclists or pedestrians. We need to discourage the aggressive, reckless driving that takes place all over this city. Yes, cyclists can be aggressive and reckless too. However, most are not and even when cyclists are aggressive or reckless, the potential they have to harm someone other than themselves is far less when compared to a car. In addition, the city should be doing everything possible to DISCOURAGE people from driving and ENCOURAGE people to ride bikes or walk. Biking and walking is healthier, doesn't pollute, doesn't require gas, and greatly reduces traffic congestion. Finally, we have issues in DC right now that are far more serious than a few cyclists riding the wrong way down a one way street. Does anyone ever visit Trinidad? Anyone aware of the HUGE spike in crime that is occurring in wards 4 and 5? An innocent 13 year-old was killed just a week ago and this is what the MPD is spending their time on? Give me a break!

 

i think the pic of the biker with her arms crossed sums up all of the arguments succinctly

 

how much were the tickets in comparison to, oh let's say, hitting a pedestrian with my 'vette and driving away? i'd like to know which infraction will be lighter on my pocketbook before heading out tomorrow morning for work.

 

"If you use that route to get to Dupont, we recommend turning right on V, crossing 16th and turning left onto 17th then right on NH. It's a bit out of the way, but the route is on low volume streets and completely legal."

Make sure you say hello to your friends at the Police Station when you do. You can't miss the them; they are usually double parked and/or opening a door.

PS. The cop misswrote my name and address yesterday morning. So, I shall not be paying the $25 fine. ( Which I hear is only half of what Novak is fined for his hit and run...)

 

As Eric said ... take 17th. It's one way heading south. Not sure how much traffic goes through there, but since it is one way you can take up the lane in order to be seen by all other traffic. Just don't dawdle ... you don't want to upset the morning racers, err commuters.

 

The gist of the comments is that people being punished for breaking the law is bad. That makes my head hurt.

 

So fucking stupid...why isnt captain donut out there on Friday and Saturday nights ticketing the fuckwad motorcyclists that speed up and down U street and rev their engines at stop lights all night? I agree w/the 17th street idea though, real easy way to get to NH.

 

Why did bikers even bother to stop? There's no way MPD is going to be able to chase someone down with all the traffic on U and 16th...

 

the point about the width of this road is quite salient here.

there's no reason that the stretch of new hampshire between 15th and 17th, though a one-way road, couldn't have bike lanes going both ways it's super super wide. wide enough for a 3 lane road in there.

use the money from these tickets to paint the lanes, ddot. and then remember, these people who are biking are your friends. they're the ones who WANT to live in this city and pay taxes. don't scare them away with silly sting operations.

 

As a cyclist, I'm thrilled to see a picture of a cop *gasp* actually enforcing traffic laws. The majority of bikers in this town are morons and won't stop riding against traffic on one-way streets until they face the consistent threat of a ticket.

However, if you step up enforcement for cyclists, you also have to do it for the idiot drivers who don't give a shit about operating their 3,000-pound hunks of steel in a way that won't kill people.

 

As a cyclist, I think this is fairly obvious, ride the wrong way down a one way street, risk getting a ticket... if you're lucky. But please, don't start ticketing for me treating red lights at empty intersections like stop signs, or stop signs at empty intersections like yield signs. Like The New Guy, every time I'm riding that narrow spot between traffic and parked cars, and a wrong way rider is barreling towards me, I wish I had an Uzi mounted on my handlebars, next to my bell.

 

That is the same deputy from the pedestrian sting at 18th & N NW 1 year ago. As people wait up to 2 to 3 minutes to cross super-narrow but high speed 18th, they finally have 15 meager seconds to cross during which the cars can't bother to wait or stay out of the crosswalk turning right on red.

I now perform a very wide scan before safely jaywalking at all intersections in the city. So far I haven't been hit by a bicyclist, but that extra second where I'm looking in totally unnecessary directions could be the distraction that I don't need!

 

Thanks for posting this. I ride the wrong way on that stretch of New Hampshire all the darn time. Now I know better.

I completely agree with most of what everyone is saying. And like GhettoBurbs said above, I think the most prudent thing to do is just hop on the sidewalk for that short block.

It's a bit frustrating, but at the same time it's a bit exciting to see that our cops are actually getting involved in mediating between vehicle safety and cycling safety.

 

"I'm sick of bikers getting off easy because they're on bikes."

That's it, isn't it? That's really what ticks you off: cyclists breaking the rules, when you can't.

(You can, you know...)

 

ward4resident...how about the mpd should be focusing on drivers, cyclists and pedestrians?

if you're an idiot and an asshole, you're an idiot and an asshole regardless how you get around

i've seen my fair share of people in all three groups that have done things which either caused or could have caused an accident

with the exception of monkey, you're all a bunch of whiny schmucks who think you are always right and rarely consider the other sides of any argument

not that it'll bother any of you, but i'm done with you...i just can't handle it anymore

 

I am a cyclist who was hit by a Suburban last night at Vermont and U Street while obeying traffic laws. I'm all for cylists obeying traffic laws, but to facilitate that, we need more bike lanes and safe, legal biking routes. We also need to hold drivers responsible for sharing the roads BEFORE accidents happen.

 

Bicyclists cannot expect drivers to obey the rules of the road if they do not.

All this talk of it being "ok" to go through red lights if it's absolutely not an issue... how would they feel if a car driver decided the same thing?

I find it the height of hypocrisy to read all the posts regarding the tragic death of the bicyclist a few weeks ago (almost all of which were cursing the driver to death or worse for what happened) and yet they now somehow feel it's ok to blatantly break a traffic law themselves. And a law that I must say, seems to be in place solely for their own protection at that. Car vs. bike in a head-on collision would not be a pretty thing at all.

 

If you couldn't outrun tub o' love on your ten speed, you deserve the ticket.

 

I love how everyone trots out the same ol' same ol'.

Yes, it's a one-way ... but
Yes, it's potentially dangerous ... but
Yes, I'm all for enforcing the rules ... but
This is a waste of resources, MPD should be out catching murderers, child rapists and Robert Novak instead.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for calling the the cops out when they screw up, but sometimes this gets just plain silly.

"Hey cops, do a better job! No wait, I mean not while I'm riding my bike/walking across the street/driving my Corvette."

 

JenK, it isn't actually the same thing. A cyclist is not enclosed in a glass and steel chamber, closed off from the sound of the street. A cyclist is not behind 6 to 8 feet of hood. A cyclist is not distracted by the sound of his own enguine. It is always safer for a cyclist to be out of the flow of traffic, running a red light is a great way to get out of the flow of traffic. This isn't about principles, it's about safety. Goose and Gander comparisons don't work when you're talking about apples and oranges.

 

Hell, I welcome any traffic enforcement--motor vehicles, bikers, walkers, segways. But for chrissake MPD, get your priorities straight! While your officers were out there ticketing cyclists, my roommate was damn near run over in the crosswalk at 16th & P a few short blocks away. MPD's response? Sorry, we can't do anything unless there was an injury. Well, the injury would've been death in that case. Even then, I'm not convinced the MPD would lift a finger. Hello? 50 dollar fine for Novak?

Great job with the serving and protecting.

As a side note: I cannot figure out why cyclists take that stretch of NH. There is no signal phase for them if they wish to continue on NH on the other side of 16th & U. Take V Street, make a left (on green!) at 16th, then veer right onto NH on the other side of U. Way safer. You are on 16th for less than a block.

 

bye-bye, guest121. we'll miss you.

have fun over there at guest121ist. i hear it's an awesome place.

 

No alternative to 14th and 16th? Haven't any of you ever heard of 11th Street? It has a bike line and is FAR more civilized than 14th Street. When I bike from downtown north, go over to 11th Street, and cut back to 14th when the bike lane ends at Monroe, after you're past all the mayhem around DCUSA.

 

Someone correct me if I am wrong here. A bicyclist, riding in a bike lane and wearing a helmet is struck and killed by a truck. The city responds by writing tickets to bicyclists? I don't follow the logic. Why are we cracking down on bicyclists? Has a driver ever been killed by a bicyclist or a pedestrian. I haven't done my research, but I am going to go out on a limb here and say NO. Where is the crack down on bad drivers, on drivers pulling into crosswalks, on drivers running red lights, on turning against no turn or no night on red signs? If the city wanted to make some money and enforce some safety rules I can point out a number of intersections along my walk to work everyday where they could nab a ton of driving violators every day. Easy money, and Fatty McGee up there wouldn't have to chase down people on bikes. Which brings me to my question, why didn't you guys just ride away?

 

shock! riding a bike is different than driving a car?! NO WAY! It's weird to me that people get mad when bikers safely run through red lights or stop signs. running a red light on a bike is a lot closer to jay walking as a pedestrian than it is to running a red light in a powerful gas powered machine.

also, seriously, bikers who got "caught," how come you stopped?

I'd be a bit more than upset if a cop told me to risk my life riding on a dangerous road "because it's the law!" even though the law clearly doesn't make sense for this situation. Just because something is the law, doesn't mean it's a smart/safe/correct thing to do. Don't we know that yet?

 

This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. No wait, I have lived in the DC area all my life. Hearing stupid things done by DC cops is a regularity. Novak receives a $50 ticket when he actually hit and serious injured someone, according to reports. And now the police are ticketing people for taking the SAFEST route!!! Stop punishing those people trying to be a part of the solution - and start creating a solution. If this is a favorite route of bikers, than make it safe for them so they dont have to be on 16th or 15th. The goal of government should be to promote public safety, not punish those who have to take their safety in their own hands because the local govt is too incompetent.

 

So a couple of weeks ago, everyone cheered the article saying that cyclists should bike more aggresively, even if it means breaking the rules in order to stay safe..well you cant have it both ways...if you are going to advocate biking illegally, than you dont get to be pissed off when you get a citation. You dont have a right to break the laws-if you do, and you get caught, there are consequences. Dont like? Than change your bike route-you can even bike on the damn sidewalk (just yield to pedestrians...).

 

"Has a driver ever been killed by a bicyclist or a pedestrian. I haven't done my research, but I am going to go out on a limb here and say NO."

If I run a red light in a car, I'm mostly risking my own life. If another vehicle is coming, it will almost certainly T-bone my car, resulting in my death or serious injury, and probably little or no injury to the driver of the vehicle that struck me.

The other possible risk is that a driver will lose control of his car trying to avoid me, possibly causing collateral damage to bystanders or other vehicles.

How is this different than you doing the same in a bicycle?

 

I do not have an opinion about the issue, but I agree with previous comments. It would not hurt if that officer got on a bike once in a while.

 

1. Fine cars for violating traffic laws.

2. Fine pedestrians for violating traffic laws.

3. Fine cyclists for violating traffic laws.

4. Junkpunch anyone who complains about how their group is being targeted for fines and how it's so unfair that MPD is targeting their group before dealing with the other two groups.

5. PROFIT!

 

well said, cranky.

 

In most civilized cities all over the world, it is universally understood that a person on a bike is just a person on a bike- not a car, not a threat to your life. Usually that person enjoying their bike ride is something which can be handled by simply not running into them.

If you can't manage to drive, and at the same time avoid cyclists who may run the occasional light, or swerve down the road with streamers on their handlebars and legs in the air-- you might want to get you skills checked, that, or just fucking relax. You were speeding anyway.

And for those bikers who complain of other bikers going the wrong way on a street, how uptight are you? Did you forget the seat on the end of that post today? Can't you just slow down, swerve around, laugh, say hi, and remember your on a fucking BIKE! not a Boeing 747 you self-important a-hole who is obviously in a massive hurry to get to that dying patient you are rushing to save with your miracle brain surgeon hands, oh right, that’s not you.

 

I agree with one of the first commenters. It isn't illegal to ride on the sidewalk, therefore, there is an alternate way for the riders to still ride on that street. It isn't like MPD just came up with this idea; I'm sure it was in response to a neighborhood complaint or an incident that involved some type of injury.

But, really, ticketing bikers? If there has to be any enforcement at all, couldn't they just give out a "warning"?

 

loganmo: ok, as soon as all the bikers start using the (too narrow) sidewalks, the peds will get pissed that bikers are infringing on "their" space.

 

La la la, we should have taken V Street. Normally, I'd be all for that, and happily accept my ticket and chalk it up to a learning experience. However, as I mentioned above, there was construction on V Street today, with construction vehicles on both sides of the street and sidewalk blocked off. Since there was construction, there was also very slow moving traffic that spread itself out to both the right and left side of the street, depending on which way the driver was turning on 16th. I took pictures of the construction and comparative emptiness (thus safety) of the street in question.

Did MPD conspire to do this on a day when we would be unable to safely navigate the alternate route? Doubtful, but it sure seems awfully convenient.

I thought about taking off since the portly gentleman issuing tickets did not yet have my info. However, since I saw the aftermath of a man who got hit on a bicycle last Friday and then waited with him and the witness for well over 45 minutes before I had to leave without a police officer coming, I didn't want to do anything that would reflect badly on other cyclists. We need their help occasionally, and I don't want them to roll their eyes and take their time when a call comes in about a cyclist any more than they already do. (Because when a car runs a red light, he's an asshole, but when a cyclist runs a red light, ALL cyclists are assholes.)

Also, I never want to hear any of you bitching about bikes being on sidewalks again.

 

bobarlington: this quote made me think:

If this is a favorite route of bikers, than make it safe for them so they dont have to be on 16th or 15th.
see, the driving crowd will say "the speed limit on x street is too low; please change it to match the prevailing speed", and they'll get the speed changed to match.

you're advocating the same logic, and it makes sense! since bikers are using this route, instead of punishing every damn biker who bikes from columbia heights and petworth and beyond, why not make that route safe and legal. it would be the common sense thing to do.

oh shit, common sense?!? what the hell is that? we don't do that shit around here.

 

I am a cycler who very rarely obeys all the traffic laws, one I try to stick with is not going the wrong way down a one way street, that being said, I think that I am ultimately responsible for my actions. When I run a red light, or coast through a stop sign, make a left turn on red from Florida north onto 18th I'm the one who is breaking rules and if a fat cop tried to stop me I'd probably run, but if I get caught I'm taking my lickings cause I know what I did.

Of course, I hope that at some point DC cops will start to make even a half as*ed attempt to ticket cabs and drivers poppin U turns in the middle of 18th or on Columbia. I cannot count how many times a car almost hits me while the driver is talking on their cell and popping a u-ey on Columbia.

 

Put me in the "Bicyclists who are pleased to see traffic enforcement" column, but de facto non-enforcement has been the norm as long as I can remember.

If MPD is stepping up enforcement of laws related to cyclists, then they should announce this to the public, if for no other reason that to build a relationship with the bicycle community. It would also be nice to see some enforcement of common practices that impede bicyclists, such as motorists parking, idling, or driving in bike lanes.

When the city puts in a new stop sign or implements a new traffic condition at a particular location, it's common for enforcement to run a sting operation--but to give warnings rather than tickets for a buffer period. I think there a buffer period when the cell phone thing was implemented. Perhaps bicycle oriented traffic stops could serve positive educational purposes, and further develop a cooperative relationship between the bicyclists and MPD. I hope that's the way this works out.

I believe this is in the interest of bicyclists too. If we ride our bikes with modest responsibility, the law is on our side. And in altercations with motorists, enraged or not, it's nice to have allies.

 

In most civilized cities all over the world, it is universally understood that a deer is just a deer - not a car, not a threat to your life. Usually the deer is something which can be handled simply my not running over them.

If you can't manage to drive, and at the same time avoid deer that may occasionally be in the road, or jump in front of your car with five-point antlers bared and legs in the air, you might want to get your skills checked, that, or just fucking relax. You were speeding anyway.

 

I'm with Cranky, except that (1) the rules shouldn't be enforced against me and people like me and (2) the penalties should be higher for people who are not like me and people I don't like.

 

jamie, i think an important distinction is that when you are in a car at an intersection, you only know what is coming 60% percent of the time. You're six feet behind the hood. If in a car, your line of sight is only 3- feet off the ground. You cannot hear or see what is coming. On a bicycle, your line of sight is 5+ feet off the ground, and on top of your front wheel. you know what is coming 100% of the time. There is no such thing as a car so quiet that you cannot hear it. It is always safer for a cyclist to be out of the flow of traffic.

Truth of the matter is that cyclist treating red lights like stop signs infuriate drivers because people on bikes are getting away with something they cannot, not because it is dangerous, which I argue it is not. I suppose the police could crack down on these types of "offences," but there would be no safety benefit. The police would only be enforcing a principle, not making the street safer for either cyclists or drivers.

But, with that said, earbuds on bicyclists should be a ticketable offense, in my opinion.

 

another dcist post with whiny biker comments?

how shocking.

 

mel21clc says: Also, I never want to hear any of you bitching about bikes being on sidewalks again.

you're right, mel, but we shouldn't have to get to that point. biking becomes more dangerous for both the cyclists and the peds if we're moving from road to sidewalk and back again. no one knows what to expect then, and the amount of chaos you've added to the system is unnecessary.

stripe some bike lanes there, ddot, and do it now. give me the paint and i'll do it myself.

 

if he wants to ticket cyclists for going the wrong way, then sergeant tubbins should head for madison and jefferson drives adjacent the mall. (golden arches at 4th and C SW, officer).

 

thank you guest guest. great comment!

 

@guest guest, actually, no. It infuriates me when cyclists run stop signs and red lights because I have to slam on my brakes to avoid hitting then, and then, when I roll down my window and yell "thanks for sharing the road," they give me the finger. That is what infuriates me.

You analysis is also incorrect. I am not sure what kind of car you've driven lately, but most modern cars are virtually silent while idling, and hybrid cars are, actually, silent, since there is no engine running. I can assure you my visibility is equally as good in my car as on a bicycle - better, in fact, because I have mirrors and can see nearly 360 degrees without turning my head around.

 

As head of the League of Concerned Scofflaw Cyclists, I certainly hope that the MPD doesn't intend on keeping this up. It's going to seriously hinder our members' ability to reach their daily quota of scofflawing!

As for stopping for the police? Ironically, they dutifly penned all those tickets completely unaware that, as scofflaws, we would simply ignore the summons thus bumping our scofflawing quotient sky high for Thursday.

 

@JenK
"I find it the height of hypocrisy to read all the posts regarding the tragic death of the bicyclist a few weeks ago (almost all of which were cursing the driver to death or worse for what happened) and yet they now somehow feel it's ok to blatantly break a traffic law themselves."

It might be hard to understand the idea of breaking a traffic law for the sake of safety unless you ride a bike regularly on city streets. In fact (since you brought up Alice Swanson) I've been wondering if she would have been out of the way of the garbage truck if she had gone through that intersection illegally. I'm a bicycle commuter and I follow the rules most of the time, but I break them when it "feels" safer, i.e. to clear an intersection while cars are stopped.

I also do it knowing I could get a ticket, it's the chance you take.

 

1. More cyclists on the road = more eyes on the street = safer streets. I often ride at night around Columbia Heights Mt. P, and am always on the lookout for suspicious behavior and crimes in progress. I call myself the Night Vigilante. :)

2. I am a cycling scofflaw, but I also have mad bike-handling skills and have never been in or caused an accident. If you are a mediocre rider you should be less of a scofflaw. While scoffing, cyclists should always be careful not to scare pedestrians. Be courteous to vehicles, too, but don't feel too bad pissing off cabbies and metro drivers who seem to go out of their way to scrape cyclists off on parked cars.

3. More bike lanes please.

 

How's that Alice Swanson investigation coming?

 

jamie: it appears that the cyclists you run into at red lights are jerks. i wish they'd stop doing what they do, but i assure you, most of us who do the red light running treat the light as a stop sign. when i do it i'm extra careful. i can't fathom blowing through a red light in a way that would force a car to slam on its brakes, because i'd be putting my life at risk in a way that i don't find acceptable.

 

My only complaint about cops actually having a sting against bicyclists is that this is DC. How many stabbings and shootings last weekend, heck, every weekend? How many violent crimes are committed around here yearly, and the DC cops are writing bicyclists tickets? If I was in a happy community with no violent crime, I could justify law enforcement being bored and finding ways to fill their shift, but not here. They have more important work than a sting on bicyclists.

Lets face it, all three groups criticize eachother. You know what? I break the law in all. I jaywalk, I ride my bike on sidewalks and through red lights, and driving....well, I guess I do speed occasionally, but not in the city. But you know what? I have common sense about it. When I jaywalk, I'm crossing a street without a single moving car on that block. I think that is perfectly fine. If I was jawalking when cars are storming by, then go ahead, give me a ticket for being an idiot. When I ride my bike, and go on the sidewalk, or go through a red light (which albeit, I stop and look both ways first), I do it in a situation that does not put myself or anyone else in danger. I think that is fine, if I cut off trafic or show signs of paying no attention while crossing that intersection, then I deserve to get hit, and I deserve that ticket.

If people acted with common sense, PAYED ATTENTION TO THEIR SURROUNDINGS and didn't take risks putting themselves or others in harm, then less accidents would occur, and less 'stings on bicyclists' would be necessary. The woman who died a few weeks ago while riding her bike, that was tragic, but you know what? Anytime I ride my bike in the city, I have eye's in the back of my head and I use them. My eye's and ears are peeled to know everything going on around me. To not know that a GIANT LOUD DUMPTRUCK was in your vicinity, none the less about to run you over, is absolutely obsurd. How can you not hear or see something like that when riding your bike around if you are paying the least bit of attention to your surroundings? Maybe it technically wasn't her fault, but she should have known it was there. If she did see it, did she just assume it would stop? Assume nothing that is out of your control (which is pretty much everything in a city).

Sorry for my rant. I'm tired of hearing everyone bicker at eachother. If a bicyclist blows a red light without looking around, by all means hit them with your car, throw a stick in their wheel, or clothesline them. This is coming from someone who has spent his whole life on a friggin bicycle. I have no tolernace for ignorance "I hate bicyclists because they don't stop for the entire duration of a red light." Get over it.

Pay attention to your surroundings, be responsible, use common sense.

 

@IMGoph: The usual situation is a cyclist running the light at the tail end of the cycle. I see this every nearly single day, either on the ground, while cycling, or in my car.

So, the light turns green, I start moving, and suddenly there's a cyclist right in front of my ass who decided that would be OK to save himself 30 seconds at the expense of making me see my own ghost as I nearly run him over (or he nearly runs into the side of my car). Cars do this too, sure, but it's much easier to spot a car who's blowing the light (since they are about 100 times bigger) than it is to spot a cyclist entering the intersection after the end of the cycle.

 

awww poor dwiver got the finger. and had to swam on the bwakes! just tewwible!

 

To IMGoph

http://www.yehudamoon.com/index.php?date=2008-03-01

 

Fair enough. Just don't complain when I decide not to.

 

Breaking a traffic law for the sake of safety?

Like riding against traffic on a one way street? Because that is, in fact, the original question. I can tell you, nothing freaks me out more as driver than seeing a bike coming at me head-on. And is that what bicyclists want? A freaked out driver?

Nope.

And besides, the real point is that it's hypocritical to get mad at someone for breaking a law and then knowingly break one yourself.

If you think bicyclists should be able to "clear" an intersection when they deem it safe, petition for the law to be changed and follow the law until it is.

 

see, the driving crowd will say "the speed limit on x street is too low; please change it to match the prevailing speed", and they'll get the speed changed to match.

That is not how speed limits are raised. It usually takes an act of god for that to happen. Most of the time when speed limits are changed, it is because the limit is being lowered. That is no easy process either. DC ain't gonna bend over backwards to accommodate Maryland commuters.

back to the topic:
There is precedent for those who suggest a contraflow bike lane for that short block in question. DDOT could add a short signal phase for cyclists at that intersection to allow diagonal movement from the northeast corner to the southwest corner. 15 seconds could cover it... add that time to the Walk phases for pedestrians traveling north/south across U Street (giving them an extra 15 car-free seconds to start their crossing) and then release the traffic on 16th Street with a green. Bikers and pedestrians both win.

 

As Sommer points out, 16th/U/NH is a perilous intersection and you essentially take your life in your own hands regardless of the time of day or means of transportation.

To legally ride your bike to where the cop ticketed cyclists, you have to either have traveled west on V Street, or have been coming down NH from the 15th/W/Florida/NH intersection and crossed V Street anyway.

How hard is it to follow V to 16th, make the left onto 16th for the whole 1 block and then continue on NH at the Starbucks?

The lights on 16th are timed during rush hour, so chances are you aren't going to have cars/buses/cabs barreling down 16th at 50 MPH if you make the left when V has the green light.

 

this is a great predicament. i bike up new hampshire there all the time going from dupont to upper 14th. and do it because that street is ultra wide, quiet and safe.

while i think it is a total insult for the police to be giving tickets there, probably the most nonthreatening route in the vicinity for a bicyclist and doubly insulting in the wake of alice swanson's death, it is still illegal. if we don't like it, change the laws, lobby for a two way bike lane, hop your bike onto the sidewalk for that block (i never do), or take the ticket if you insist on riding into that mess. rules is rules, even if they suck.

one last point is that it is triply insulting that the overseer giving tickets to bicyclists is fat and out of shape. couldn't they get a bike cop to do it to one of their own? probably not.

 

jamie: hey, you're right. if a cyclist is blowing through a light like that after it cycles red, then they're putting themselves and everyone else in needless danger (because you could get rear-ended when you hammer the brakes).

that's not my bag, though. i could perpetuate this by giving examples of cars who insist on blowing through lights when they see there's no car traffic, just a bike waiting to go. guess they figure a cyclist like me won't risk going, because even though i have the right-of-way, they know they could turn me into a pancake. check out the corner of rhode island and 6th sometime....it's the worst intersection for this behavior on my route.

(guess i did perpetuate this discussion then, eh? sorry!)

 

jamie, sorry, unless you are in some sort of space age car that does not yet exist, your visibility with what is in front of you is not the same as what a cyclist experiences. Even if a car has a silent engine, tires on road makes a noise that can always be heard 2 hundred feet away on a bicycle. Of course, if you are using George Jetson's hovercraft, then you have a strong argument. Otherwise, you are inventing.

Like IMGoph said, I'm sorry that you come across so many obnoxious cyclists that are constantly flipping you off. I don't ride that way. I ride defensively. And yes, when I'm at an intersection with a red light for a minor street, and no cars are coming from either direction, and I know this because I am on a bicycle, then I will run it knowing that I have a 100% percent chance of crossing the street safely.

 

What happens if you claim you have no ID and give bogus info?

 

@guest guest: I thought we were discussing running red lights. Typically one would be stopped, at the red light, before deciding to proceed through it. If you don't even bother to stop before blowing through a light, then I think we can assume you won't be around much longer.

So, tell me again how you, on a bike, sitting at a light, have better visibility than me in a car doing exactly the same thing. What is it that you can see from your vantage point, stopped at the intersection, that I cannot, before proceeding through the light? You look left, I look left. You look right, I look right. I'm still at a loss as to why it's safer for you to cruise the light than me.

 

Cyclists are people on bikes, and are no different than people in motorized vehicles and people walking on foot. The law's the law. Sure, tax dollars are going to this "sting", but it's also generating revenue from tickets while enforcing the law. There's no room for complaining here.

I cannot recall the last time that a cyclist has yielded to me as a pedestrian in a crosswalk, so I don't have a lot of sympathy.

 

that's it.

i'm going to VA this weekend, buying a handgun, registering it (of course), and shooting every biker that runs a stop sign, runs a red light, or goes the wrong way down a one way street. i'll shoot out of my living room window though since the 2nd Amendment says that i have the right to protect myself in my home.

awww poor bike wider got a bullet. and had to go to hospital! just tewwible!

if you're a biker and see me knowingly breaking traffic laws for the sake of safety, feel free to shoot me out of your window with your registered handgun.

 

@jamie

why do you have to slam on the brakes when a biker runs a stop sign? are you punching the gas as hard as you can from the stop sign or just not stopping? I don't know any biker who runs 2 way stop signs without making sure it's clear.

 

League of Concerned Scofflaw Cyclists?

Awesome. Do you have a newsletter? I would like to subscribe.

 

bv2112: i know that cyclists who don't yield to pedestrians are assholes, i see it all the time in the morning on thomas circle. i usually make it to the west side of the circle in time to wait for the light to allow eastbound mass ave traffic to merge into the circle, so i have to wait for peds to cross in front of me there as well. a lot of cyclists will go around me and just miss hitting peds. i yell at them when i can and remind them that they're giving all us cyclists a bad name.

 

jaynuze: thanks, that cartoon was sweet!

 

jamie, the "blowing through" that you just decribed, I totally agree with you and IMGoph. That is incredably dangerous.

My explaination at to how and why it is safer for a cyclist (or a pedestrian, for that matter) to cross .from a stopped position at a red light over a car stopped at an intersection is fully described above. Simply put, it is many many times safer. Physical realities trump principles

 

@rob: When you are accelerating from a stop, and suddenly something that's not supposed to be in front of you appears in front of you, the typical reaction is to try not to run it over.

That would be by slamming on the brakes. You don't need to be going 60 miles an hour to make skidmarks. Try it sometime. 3,000 pounds at 5-10 MPH still makes quite a jolt when you stamp on the brake.

Yes, I stop at stop signs and red lights. And then I go when it's my turn. Except, many cyclists don't believe in this taking turns thing at 4-way stop signs.

 
There is precedent for those who suggest a contraflow bike lane for that short block in question. DDOT could add a short signal phase for cyclists at that intersection to allow diagonal movement from the northeast corner to the southwest corner. 15 seconds could cover it... add that time to the Walk phases for pedestrians traveling north/south across U Street (giving them an extra 15 car-free seconds to start their crossing) and then release the traffic on 16th Street with a green. Bikers and pedestrians both win.
that's a great idea, bikerbikerbiker. have a feeling that it's too late to ask to have that included in the u street streetscape project that's supposed to start soon-ish.
 

V St over to 17th St when going S and W.

T St over to 15th St when going N and E.

Am I missing anything? Oneway St. check. You can even take T St to jamie's 11th St paradise.

avoids 16th and U St intersection either direction. There y'are. next.

 

This, earlier in the week, from an insurance company as reported by The Ex:

In 2007, D.C. drivers were 89 percent more likely to get into accidents than the national average. [n.b., stats exclusive of MD or VA]

and

..."Another factor is the aggressive driving we see in this area”...

and

...The Washington area ranks as the second-most-congested in the country, tying with Atlanta and San Francisco and trailing only Los Angeles.

Let us blame cyclists as a class for our bad records, high insurance, congestion, petty attitudes and aggressive posts. Let us threaten them with guns because we have to use our power disc anti-lock brakes on our avg $30K 2-ton gas sucking death machines because, well, if we don't then it just might go up to 90% And then we'd just have to blame the cyclists again before driving home from Federal Triangle all the way to Friendship Heights.

VTY,
Motorists in Denial

 

To those to got ticketed: How much is the ticket, does it include points on your driving record?

 

If a bike or pedestrian runs into a car, the person in the car will not die from the impact.

 

On another weird note, I had an officer thank me for stopping at a light on my bike today at 5th and E NW...

As for all of this, someone mentioned above that he'd take his "lumps for breaking law." Isn't that the whole thing here? We're all aware of the law, it's bad (we believe)...so we break it for safety (or impatience), but the truth is that this is civil disobediance...and in that case, you can't be bitter when the laws are enforced. They are, afterall, the laws. They may be stupid (or not...that's not my point here), but we CHOOSE to break them...

 

@DAJ: "Someone correct me if I am wrong here. A bicyclist, riding in a bike lane and wearing a helmet is struck and killed by a truck. The city responds by writing tickets to bicyclists?"

News reports indicated she was riding on the sidewalk, and not in the bike lane.

Not that that really changes anything.

As a bicycle commuter myself, I really can't stand it when people bike the wrong way down 12th between F & E - it's f'ing downhill if you're going the wrong way, and I've nearly been wiped out more than once while biking uphill. It's hard to avoid lunatics who are speeding the wrong way when you're biking uphill - it's much more difficult to maneuver when you're riding uphill.

 

so let me get this straight. because an insurance company reports that DC is full of bad drivers, that makes it OK for bikers to break the law in the name of "safety"? by running stop signs, traffic lights, and going the wrong way down the street? that's the biggest sack of horse puckey i've heard in a long time.

whether you're a pedestrian, biker, or driver, if you knowingly break the laws of the road and injure or endanger yourself and/or others, you deserve to be ticketed, fined, jailed, whipped, and/or crucified.

 

The ticket is for $25. It does not give an indication as to whether it adds a point to your license; I am waiting to see if it actually gets entered into their system online before paying it. I'll be calling the Mayor's Hotline to hypothetically ask that soon.

 

However, I think a better way to approach this would have been to issue warnings to cyclists and educate them on the rules for a couple of days, which would have fostered a sense of appreciation for the officers working to make things safer for us rather than the hostility we're now predisposed toward.

 

I'm surprised people stopped for that fatso, it's not like he can catch 'em or take their license plate number.

 

"I say, leave the cyclists alone, and go after the criminals responsible for the uptick in robberies in Columbia Heights."

But that would require, you know, effort on MPD's part.

 

Ticketing bikes is a good idea; it's for their own safety. If you can't take the time to find a good route to cycle on (ie, not on the sidewalk, and not wrong-way on a one-way) then you should simply **not be biking** on that route. Get off and walk your bike for a block.

On the other hand, blowing red lights and stop signs is usually pretty safe, as long as you're not an idiot about it. Unsurprisingly, there are many idiots out there who blow stop signs without actually checking to see if there's a car coming...

 

If you ask me, it's about time they cracked down on these scofflaw cyclists. After that female cyclist killed the garbage truck driver a few weeks ago, a tough response was needed.

Kudos!

 

I see a lot of people here arguing that bikes can safely go through red lights and stop signs. In an urban setting, that same argument can be made for cars, with equal merit. I don't think it's a very good argument for either case.

 

@ihatemuseums: cycling on the sidewalk is legal in DC outside of the central business district (and the area where these cyclists were ticketed is not in the CBD). It's not necessarily safe, mind you, but it *is* legal.

 

I see a lot of people here arguing that bikes can safely go through red lights and stop signs. In an urban setting, that same argument can be made for cars, with equal merit. I don't think it's a very good argument for either case.

Don't forget pedestrians! In an urban setting, the same argument can be made for pedestrians, with equal merit! I think *everyone* should obey the letter of the law.

Also, an argument can be made for equal prosecution of armed robbery and littering. When you throw that banana peel, you never know who's going to step on it. Someone may fall and break their neck!

Also, "please" and "thank you" are the most beautiful words in the English language. And manners cost nothing--which is especially salient in these lean economic times..

 

Speaking as a cyclist, I am pissed off by the way a lot of bikers ride. It is one thing to, as many of your are saying, exercise your best judgment at the red light/red stop sign, and proceed when the coast is clear; it is quite another when the self-professed prudent cyclist fucks up and either a) does himself in (or comes close) when he misjudges the speed of the approaching traffic, and/or b) takes out a pedestrian as he is orbiting the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection, waiting for the coast to clear.

In the first case: Learn how to trackstand; I did.

In the second case: Will you, my fellow cyclists, please start looking out for pedestrians? That means observing the sanctity of the crosswalk--just like drivers are supposed to do. Peds in this town have enough to worry about (Novak), they don't need to be catching more shit from cyclists.

 

I'd like to take a poll from the drivers here. I have a little story for you, and I'd like you to let me know if you think what I'm doing is common sense "scofflaw cyclist" behavior, or if you think it's moronic and I should stop.

I live in Columbia Heights. I use the bike lanes on 11th St. to get in and out of the neighborhood. When I climb the hill to come back home, I turn left on Kenyon to cut over to my side of the neighborhood. 11th does not have a turn lane, and I seem to always get stuck at a red light at the head of a long line of cars while there is no westbound traffic coming up Kenyon. So, I turn around and look at the driver behind me, signal, turn to the driver I'm facing, signal, make sure there's no westbound traffic moving up Kenyon, and then run the red light to turn left. I started doing this because I can't cut across traffic from the bike lane to turn left, and it's scary and unsafe to sit in the middle of the intersection with cars whizzing by on both sides (and/or nearly hitting me in their efforts to turn left).

Am I right to think that it's safer to get the drivers' attention, then get out of their way while they're still chilling at the red light? Or should I stand there in the middle of a busy intersection, waiting for the gap in 11th St. traffic that never comes?

 

"@ihatemuseums: cycling on the sidewalk is legal in DC outside of the central business district (and the area where these cyclists were ticketed is not in the CBD). It's not necessarily safe, mind you, but it *is* legal."

I don't care if it's legal. It's unsafe. Furthermore, with some rare exceptions, it indicates that the biker doesn't really know what he/she's doing. Any biker who knows how to bike properly knows that it's 1) safer and 2) much more fun to ride in the street, with a few exceptions. I see so many clueless DC bikers on the sidewalks, weaving in and out, that I can only conclude one thing: they don't really know how to ride bikes.

I've been biking as a main form of transportations for decades, and the only times I've ever wiped out or almost been hit by cars has been biking on the sidewalk.

DC bikers: learn how to bike safely. I don't care if it's legal or not.

 

"Or should I stand there in the middle of a busy intersection, waiting for the gap in 11th St. traffic that never comes?"

This is a great question, exactly the reason that I think urban bikers need more training! In my opinion, it's safer to wait in the intersection. You are very visible there are are probably not going to be hit. If you feel too scared to do this, you should probably get off your bike and walk through that intersection. Any other opinions, though?

 

I still feel violated.

 

It seems to me that a big part of the problem is that bicyclists fall in a gray area between pedestrians and motor vehicle drivers.

You can't go the wrong way up a street but you are allowed to go the wrong way up the sidewalk of that street? If you're on the street you're a motor vehicle, but a couple of feet to the side and you're a pedestrian? Clarity is needed.

 

"Or should I stand there in the middle of a busy intersection, waiting for the gap in 11th St. traffic that never comes?"

"This is a great question, exactly the reason that I think urban bikers need more training! In my opinion, it's safer to wait in the intersection. You are very visible there are are probably not going to be hit. If you feel too scared to do this, you should probably get off your bike and walk through that intersection. Any other opinions, though?"

I think what he does sounds perfectly safe. He checks all ways of traffic before proceeding to make his turn. Standing in the middle of the intersection I don't feel is safer than that. With what little attention drivers pay, who's to say one of the people driving through the intersection doesn't notice him sitting in the middle of the intersection and just plows him over. Like I said earlier, never assume anything, and especially don't assume that a driver is going to see you. So why sit in the middle of the intersection like a sitting duck waiting to get plowed into, just to simply be following the law?

Do what you need to feel safe, but don't put anyone else in harms way in the process. I do agree with you though on this, if you don't feel fully comfortable with going through an intersection on your bike, walk it through.

 

First of all, biking down a little used one way street with wide margins on both sides for angled parking does not seem particularly unsafe. Second of all, I don't blame anyone who wants to avoid any aspect of driving down 16th street traffic hell. "Scofflaw" cyclists generally do not get themselves killed by dangerous biking but rather get killed by distracted drivers (see girl on bike 2 weeks ago). Third of all, other cities/states/countries have just circumvented this whole problem by literally changing the laws for cyclists. Stop signs = yield for cyclists and red lights = stop signs. People in cars get all hot and bothered when they see bikers cruising through traffic because their 2 ton cars don't allow them the same maneuverability. So let's treat the two differently shall we?

 

Looks like the tickets won't give the cyclists any points....

http://www.ddot.dc.gov/ddot/frames.asp?doc=/ddot/lib/ddot/information/bicycle/laws/18_dcmr_12.pdf

 

it's safer to wait in the intersection. You are very visible there are are probably not going to be hit.

Hell no!!! I will never put myself in a position where I am reliant on the driver seeing me, for my safety.

Being stuck in the middle of that intersection, waiting for a break in the oncoming traffic to make a left turn is very unsafe. That leaves the cyclist very exposed to traffic approaching from the rear.

No thanks.

If you are stuck at the red light at the front of a long line of cars, learn the light cycle timing, so you know when the green is coming, and make your left turn as you get the green--if not before.

Drivers do this all the time on 13th and 11th streets in the places where there is no left turn lane and traffic volumes are high. The difference is that drivers are just doing it for convenience, because they don't want to wait for a break in traffic.

 

"Or should I stand there in the middle of a busy intersection, waiting for the gap in 11th St. traffic that never comes?"

At an intersection like that, where I have little or no faith in the drivers, I'll frequently do a "jug-handle" maneuver if it's not clear: I come up to the cross street on the right, flip 3/4's clockwise to orient to the cross-street's red light on the right side of the lane, and wait for it to turn green.

It's not the most efficient thing to do, and I'm not taking the right-of-way that I should be allowed, but I got kids and I'd rather be safe than injured and right.

I see a lot of people here arguing that bikes can safely go through red lights and stop signs. In an urban setting, that same argument can be made for cars, with equal merit.

It can't, actually. The differences between peds or bikes and cars or trucks crossing a street, in terms of the physics and consequences, are not comparable. You can make the argument, but not with equal merit.

 

i feel like, in the 11th street example, i would make sure the cars at the front of the line see me, then cut across onto kenyon. it seems like the biggest problem cyclists have is the intersections. as a mode of transportation that exists somewhere between car and pedestrian, it's tough to deal with things when those intersections clearly were designed with car and pedestrian traffic flow, but not necessarily cycle flow, in mind.

i agree with bmpietz, we need to lobby to have the law made more specific for cyclists so we can proceed through these intersections safely.

 

Biking south on 16th, taking a whole lane is perfectly safe, and legal, for a cyclist to do. People freak out about this, but don't understand the statistics. Accidents described as "motorist overtaking cyclist" come out consistently in the 5% range, and most of those are on rural highways, not urban settings. Meanwhile, about 12% of bike accidents involve a cyclist going the wrong way/using the wrong side of the road.

http://www.johnforester.com/Articles/Facilities/TransQuart01.htm

I'm a 15 year bike commuter that just beat a ticket in Arlington that I got for not staying to the right of the road. I told the judge I was occupying my lane traveling the speed limit. Not guilty. Southbound 16th Street is an ideal bicycle route. The only drawback is the light at Florida, I hate to lose all that momentum, but better red then dead.

 

Suances said, "It seems to me that a big part of the problem is that bicyclists fall in a gray area between pedestrians and motor vehicle drivers."

There's no gray area according to local codes: bicycles are vehicles.

 

Ok -- Why are bicyclers advocating using the sidewalk? The bicyclist killed on July 8th was riding on the sidewalk parallel to the dump truck that killed her. When the light turned green the truck driver looked right to make a turn and there were no pedestrians. The driver is obligated to look for pedestrians at the curb, not 4-5 houses up to see a bicycle coming down the sidewalk. You know the rest of the story here.

I am sure she may have had some "rational" reason for riding on the sidewalk. If she were alive today, she may have been thanking the "Tub of Love" officer for a ticket.

Now we have a police force trying to curb some poor behaviors of cyclists, hopefully no one else will be killed; such a novel approach to deal with an issue.

 

@Alsation: then why are bicycles allowed to ride on the sidewalk?

 

@stevenc: you're mixing apples and oranges. The people were getting tickets today for going the wrong way on a one-way. It had nothing to do with riding on the sidewalk.

 

This is the most ridiculous infuriating piece of cycling news I've heard in this city. Yeah, I haven’t lived here very long.
As others have stated with eloquence or sarcasm or funny analogies, that block of New Hamphire is ultrawide, ridiculously so for a one-lane one-way street. The alternative for a cyclist, is sharing the road with many more cars for an additional traffic light, a left turn onto 16th st, and according to Pythagore, a longer distance travelled.
Cyclists should be raising hell to get a two-way bike lane on that block, which has space to accomodate it. If I could attend the DC Bicycle Advisory Committee meetings, I’d bring it up, but 6pm is too early for me and showing up late does not seem to be very appreciated. Plus the only subcommittee that usually isn’t full is the enforcement and education one which probably only deals with bullshit like ticketing cyclists or educating them that they need to stop at stop signs to not elicit road rage, or teaching cops when they can and can’t ticket cyclists.
I’m in a shitty mood now.

 

Aww, and all those irresponsible scofflaws in that photo are wearing bicycle helmets. Don't give them a ticket, give them a cookie for being so good to wear their helmets and so smart to take the safest shortcut.

 

This is a pointless debate that will never end.

Cyclists will never stop going through red lights when it's safe. NEVER.

When I ride down the street and get to a stop sign or red light, I can usually see what's coming on either side of the cross street. I then make the decision on whether it's safe to proceed without stopping or not. Quite simple. It's a judgement call. Close calls happen and then you're either in the situation where you can be an asshole and flip the driver off or recognize you made a mistake.

Meanwhile, drivers, you should really own up to the fact that you get infuriated at cyclists disobeying traffic laws because they can and you can't. Such is life, deal with it. You shouldn't get so upset that you start using your car as a weapon.

Pedestrians, pay attention to your surroundings, that's all I got to say.

But please god, DCIST, can you stop it with these bike-traffic articles, it's the same motherfucking debate every single goddamn time.

 

But please god, DCIST, can you stop it with these bike-traffic articles, it's the same motherfucking debate every single goddamn time.

Hey, this time it was different. A cop was actually doing something, something that didn't involve shaking down hookers.

 

I didn't want to triple post there, but the block I was referring to as being ultra-wide and needing bike lanes was the opposite one, running southwest from 16th to 17th. Sorry 'bout that.

 

Agreed that this is a debate that will never end.

Drivers need to be more cognizant of their environment and respect all applicable traffic laws.

Bicyclists need to be more cognizant of their environment and respect all applicable traffic laws.

Same goes for pedestrians. Only when all three groups of people actually obey all of the rules/regulations will you see a change.

Unless the laws are changed for vehicle types -- if you're biking down the wrong side of the street, you should get a ticket -- just as if I were driving on the wrong side of the street. Or walking across the street in the middle of the block just asking to be hit.

 

Bottom line= the safety of myself and others (including those on the sidewalks).

I'll continue riding against the one-way on New Hampshire and will fight my ticket. I'm offended that that DC cops would be force bikers to ride a more dangerous route just to meet their end-of-month ticket writing quotas.

 

Suances: bikes can go on the sidewalk because they're bicycles. I never said the regulations were consistent, just that they're not gray. The bike chapter in the traffic code is like 3 pages long, but almost no one ever reads it.

All drivers speed and all bikes go through stop signs and red lights. Some do it dangerously for others. Some do it dangerously for themselves. No one's special. Everyone's jealous.

One big happy family.

 

@ mikeodigbmx:

I'm female :) no problem, it's just weird seeing myself referred to as "he." haha.

 

I don't think that anyone has explained where these southbound cyclists are supposed to go when they hit the U St-16 St intersection. The only "exits" from New Hampshire are the right turns from 16 northbound and U westbound--both of which are one-ways for cars.

Unless maybe the bicycles jump onto the pedestrian island at the northeast corner of the intersection and then transit U or 16 via the crosswalks? That's classy, transforming from a pseudo-vehicle going the wrong way down a one-way into a pseudo-pedestrian using the crosswalk and back again.

Also, to be fair to the police, I've seen them staking out that exact spot (with the squad car turned the opposite way from the picture) and ticketing cars that take the "shortcut" right turn from U to 16th.

 

@standrightwalkleft


Oops! My apologies :-)

 

fullcarbon: this will never end, but it's not pointless. we can have a great time seeing how many times we can say the same thing without getting tired. maybe one of us will trip up and say something crazy!

IMGoph: is so

Hillman: is not

IMGoph: is so

Hillman: is not

IMGoph: is so

Hillman: is not

IMGoph: is not

Hillman: is so

IMGoph: a-HA! so it IS so!

Hillman: [crying]

:)
 

"IMGoph: a-HA! so it IS so!

Hillman: [crying]"

I'm proud to say that I have (or had) O posts on this thread, since it all seems pretty pointless to me.

But that doesn't stop me from crying anyway, just on general principle. Sortof like the Crying Indian from the old 'Don't Litter' campaigns of years past.

 

(small rant) I think heading down the wrong way on the street is one of the few things that is not cool (be that a one way street or riding on the other side of the road) ... the other week I almost hit someone that took a right turn from 7th ST SE into K straight into the oncoming traffic.

Running a stop sign or a red light where you can see what is going on is fine, crossing in front of a car coming from a direction that one does not usually except traffic to come from is just suicidal.

I walk a lot, I actually don't dare to bike in this city, the bike lanes don't seem to get any respect from the drivers. But as their are taking on bikers going the wrong way they should take on talking on the phone and blocking the pedestrian crossing, it would make me feel a lot safer.

 

hey,

does anyone know a number or email at the DC police where we can actually complain in a productive fashion?

thanks.

 

Here we go:

Nykisha Cleveland, OPC's Public Affairs Specialist, (202) 727-3838

 

can someone please arrest the segway people. they are a menace to the sidewalks if there ever was one.

 

and people who wear sunglasses indoors. i'd like to see them incarcerated too...

 

Here's a bit of free legal advice:

In the District of Columbia, cyclists on public thoroughfares are treated like cars. They are held to the same legal standards are cars and are expected to follow the same laws that cars follow. Cycling on the sidewalk IS permitted in D.C., as long as it is done in a reasonably safe fashion.

Cyclists in D.C. are nearly as reckless as the drivers. I see cyclists darting through traffic ALL THE TIME, including riding through red lights and going the wrong way on one-way streets. Let me just point out that this is illegal. I don't care if you like that fact or not; if you do these things you are breaking the law.

If you choose to break the law, that's your decision, but don't act like you are totally innocent.

It would be great if D.C. cops stepped up ticketing for all moving violations, including drivers talking on phones or texting, rolling through stop signs, and cyclists behaving in a reckless fashion by riding irresponsibly.

If you are unclear on what the rules are, I suggest you check out the D.C. Municipal Regulations. It's available online and accessible to attorneys and laypersons alike.

 

no

 

seriously how did these bikers get caught?...?

did they have cops on the sidewalks and blocking the road?

 

I don't think that I would have stopped for fat boy. Sort of ironic having a fat slob handing you a biking ticket. Look at him, he really needs to lose some weight for his own good. I would even dare to say that his lifestyle habits are more of a burden than some middle aged bike riders.

This is rich - they don't have time to stop bike thieves - that jack bike in broad day light with power tools, but they can hand you a traffic ticket for ridding down empty street. I can see this in the suburbs but in a major metropolitan city? Here - www.spotcrime.com - this will help you find something to do.

And for all of you way too uptight people, you really need to get a life. You are taking this rule thing way to far.If my not stopping when there isn't traffic or ridding down the wrong way of an empty street then you really have some serious control issues. As long as I am not acting reckless, like ridding on the sidewalk, then what do you care? If it bothers you that much then maybe it's just time to get that anxiety medication dosage checked? Seriously, just because your life sucks doesn't mean that you have to drag me into it.

 

this is how they stop cyclist's in NYC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUkiyBVytRQ

 

Hey manicallday - you need to lay off the caffeine or crack or whatever it is you're on.

DCPS have never given a crap about property crimes. That's just the way it is. What do they care if some rich asshole gets his four thousand dollar bike stolen? So if you're worried, then you need to take your widdle bike inside.

And ridding [sic] the wrong way down a one way street and not obeying the traffic laws is reckless. I personally hope the next time you're riding the wrong way down a one way street after blowing off a red light (because you're a REBEL, man!) you meet an inattentive, ML driving Soccer Mom coming the other way who's busy texting her husband because she spilled her four dollar latte in her lap. Maybe while you're in the hospital recovering, it'll get through your thick head that the traffic laws are there for a purpose

 

glad to see that there are more than a few people on dcist who are wishing pain and suffering on others. what a caring, loving community, eh?

 

Dude, didn't you tell that gun nut a couple threads ago to go off and die or something? Not that s/h/it didn't deserve it, but still.

 

naw, monkey, he told me to die (then told me it wasn't a death threat) and i repeatedly asked him to calm the f down and explain things. at the end, i just decided to go all crazy and mock s/him. oh wells. we had fun.

 

Hey Goph - rereading my post I see what you mean. I really didn't wish him pain and suffering. I just wanted to point out that doing the kind of stupid shit he was bragging about is going to get him seriously hurt. There are an awful lot of careless drivers out there: reckless cycling and inattentive driving is a recipe for disaster.

 

no worries, drlronhoover.

 

drlronhoover

Whatever you control freak. I hope that I do get hit by that car and I hope the driver is you so I can just get up and beat your happy ass senseless.

 

manicallday. If I hit you, you'll be a patchouli-smelling grease spot. And I'll piss on your remains, you fucknut.

Eat Shit.

 
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