September 4, 2008
Morning Roundup: The Other Side Edition
Good morning, Washington. So did Sarah "Internet Sensation" Palin's speech accepting the Republican nomination for Vice President electrify you, too? It certainly burned a hole in our Twitter feeds, with more back and forth snarking over a single political speech than we've seen all year. The general consensus seems to be that Palin managed to come across as rather appealing to a large swath of independent voters. The San Francisco Chronicle even went so far as to say Palin may be upstaging McCain completely. What did you think?
Cops Involved in Fatal Shooting of Teen Back at Work: The two D.C. police officers involved in the fatal shooting of 14-year-old DeOnte Rawlings have been ordered back on the job, reports the Examiner. Rawlings was killed about a year ago during a confrontation with Officers James Haskel and Anthony Clay, who were both off-duty at the time, over a stolen mini-bike. Both men were cleared of criminal wrongdoing. The Rawlings family is suing the city and the MPD for $100 million.
About the 18th Street Evacuation Last Night: Lots of you wrote in to ask what happened on 18th Street in Adams Morgan last night. Readers reported being evacuated out of every business on 18th Street between Kalorama and Columbia Rd. just after 9:30 p.m. We even heard patrons kicked out of the The Diner were told they didn't need to pay their bills -- just get out. Naturally, it was a suspicious package situation, and the whole thing appeared to have been cleared up within about 45 minutes.
Briefly Noted: Baby killed, father injured in Suitland shooting ... Mom gives birth in HOV lane ... Judge says District has failed to meet special education deadlines.
This Day in DCist: In 2007 we mourned the end of The Common Share and the end of regular Bluegrass programming on WAMU.
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United!
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Nice to see Thuggee Fresh and his "crew" are "keepin it reals" in Suitland. So now they're shooting infants? That's pretty hard to top, short of shooting them while they're still in the womb. I'm thinking falcon punching will be the new way of proving what a badassed, big-di**ed muthaf***a you really is. The Bloods and Crips can't move into this territory fast enough. At least they have something resembling marksmanship skills.
I used to think DC was a crime-ridden third-world s***hole, but damn. PG County seems to combine the worst elements of that as well as being a boring-ass suburb. Bra. Vo. Thanks for making South Central LA look classy. Any day now, PG gangs will start sporting monocles and spats and doing drivebys in Stutz Bearcats with Tommy Guns.
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i'm still waiting for something intelligent that isnt energy-related to come out of palin's mouth.
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I'm betcha' every man in America was clutching his goodies last night after listening to Governor Palin. And Hillary too.
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why couldn't they have cleared us out of the science club last night and told us we didn't need to pay that bill?
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Dead babies, huh? Way to pee in my Wheaties, DCist.
I’m not all that well-versed in the rules of the thug life, so please, someone explain this to me: does it really enhance one’s street cred to shoot a baby? I really, really think you should lose points for that. Like, I believe that’s what World of Warcraft nerds call a “dishonorable kill.”
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I want to be a world champion snow machine racer.
And drill in Palin's provinces.
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Officers James Haskel and Anthony Clay spent nearly a year on paid leave while authorities investigated their off-duty shooting of DeOnte Rawlings in an alley in Southeast.
Moral of the story: if you shoot someone who you think is stealing your minibike, you get a year's salary without having to show up for work and the City gets stuck with the $100 million lawsuit.
God bless America and Merry F***ing Christmas.
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My favorite part was when interviewing a delegate about Palin, he calls out the sexist media, while he wore his "This Iowan Loves the Hot Alaskan Chick" button.
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so Monkey... you think the officers should've been suspended without pay? fired? allowed to just go on doing their jobs? is putting officers involved in a fatal shooting on paid leave a practice that is unique to America?
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I don't know if I'd call Palin's speech "electrifying," but judging by the size of her family, she certainly likes to "open up her ANWR for horizontal drilling." And yet, my penis is haunted by her similarity to Laura Palmer.
My "log" will soon have something to say on this matter.
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Here's my issue: the Pubs have no taste. I don't mean bad taste in over-processed makeup, all-American haircuts, or in stiff, crisp, starchy suits. I mean taste in women. Sarah Palin....hot? I think not. Now, I'll grant that Sarah Palin at 44 has a certain MILF-ness to her. But mostly I find her looks weird. And then she opens her mouth and that nasal fladder then a seyouth dakodder fladland-voice comes eeyoud.
Bleah.
Except for the book banning, she's extremely boring to me.
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I think it shouldn't take A WHOLE F***ING YEAR for management to determine whether the officers were justified in shooting Rawlings.
Maybe they should stay on leave another year, just to be on the safe side.
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Which leads me to my other thought that Maybe Palin is really a palindrome for PLAIN.
Welcome to the Palindrome. Nearest city: Bartertown.
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"That's pretty hard to top, short of shooting them while they're still in the womb..."
This statement illustrates why many believe abortion is murder.
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Yeah, but it's still murder in self defense.
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"The general consensus seems to be that Palin managed to come across as rather appealing to a large swath of independent voters."
Really? This is why I'll never really understand politics. I thought she hit it out of the park with the conservative base, but I don't understand how someone with her politics gives a speech like that and comes off as anything but an extreme right-wing nutjob. I can't comprehend how a candidate who's rabidly evangelical, anti-choice, anti-science, and shares Bush's belief in the divine approval of the Iraq war manages to appeal to anyone in the middle.
And if the slams against the work of community organizers aren't harped on just as hard as the "clinging to guns and religion" bit was hit on the other side, then the Dems have no idea how to run a campaign, because that was low, and patently offensive to people who do important work, as well as to the people they do that work for.
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I can see it now, snowmobile races around the perimeter of the National Observatory, with the usual Alaska collection of vehicles on the lawn (ATV, Bush Plane (how appropo!), trailers, jacked-up pick-up trucks, etc)
Yuck.
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"This Iowan Loves the Hot Alaskan Chick"
You fail to recognize that this is a plaintive cry against global warming, not hypocritical sexism.
As for the Suitland baby shooter, this truly is a new low. I thought we couldn't go any lower than Marion "Baby Junk Puncher" Barry, but we somehow we have. I mean, what's even the point of punching a baby in the junk if his testicles haven't even descended yet? Toddler junk punching I can understand. It makes sense. But baby junk punching? Really Marion? Is this election that close?
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When talking about Palin's hotness one must keep in mind standards.
We're not talking Hollywood.
We're talking DC (Hollywood for ugly people).
She may not be Jolie.
But shes blows away hags like Pelosi.
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After some hasty internet research I realized that the word I was looking for was anagram. But Palindrome seemed so perfect. To good to be true. Sorry Sarah. Stay Classy!
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Ian - I think the problem is that there is no monolithic "middle," conservative or liberal. You've got conservatives who are evangelical, but aren't pro-gun or pro-ANWR drilling. You've got some that are environmentalist, but have no interest in religion. People are going to see in Palin what they want to: wingnut, antichrist, or Laura Palmer. But beware: the more you stare into the darkness, the more the darkness stares into you. Maybe!
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A wholehearted second to Ian's post...and any independent female voter who can't see the transparency in the selection of Palin, and how little they think of your intelligence as a voter, was never an independent voter in the first place.
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at CleavelandRocks :
first, a palindrome is a word that's the same forwards and backwards, so that's not clever at all.
second, i don't think Palin's intention is to thrill, amuse, and appeal to your sexual tastes. what type of haircut would you prefer her to wear? and do you like your women in baggy sweatpants and jersey accents?
not trying to be a biotch, just wondering why anyone's opinions on her attractiveness or unattractiveness really matter whatsoever.
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That devil kid's family should be paying $100M! I'm never surprised by idiot families standing by their criminal kids until (and beyond) the day they die.
It always goes something like this -- Oh, I don't know how this can be happenin'. He is such a good kid. He ain't eva' been in no trouble in him life.
Drop the suit, it's just as bad as the pants crap.
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"Which leads me to my other thought that Maybe Palin is really a palindrome for PLAIN. "
You're getting anagrams and palindromes mixed up. Palin and plain are anagrams. "At Sarah, a rasta" is a palindrome, and utterly logical.
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While I wasn't using my GI Joe, um, 'action figures' to create hot snowmobile-related sex scenes starring Todd Palin and Baby Daddy Levi, I actually listed to Governor Palin.
I see why McCain chose her.
Cynicism.
She chose to return the Republican Party to divisive wedge rhetoric. Oddly, the new enemy is community activists. But, hey, as long as there's an enemy....
Her tone and language was sneering and dripping with sarcasm.
The whole 'only rural people are good Americans' mantra is apparently the new theme, since they can no longer claim Obama's inexperience with a straight face.
But, then, division and envy have worked for Republicans before. No need to think it won't work again. Never ever underestimate the gullibility of the average person.
And maybe it's just me, but passing around the Down Syndrome infant like he was a "We're # 1" football finger sign was unsettling.
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Well, at least you didn't say spoonerism.
I don't think America is ready for a veep with a name like Parah Salin. Sounds too much like "Paris Ailin" which she is, from a case of Herpes Simplex XII that could kill the Rhodesian army from the other side of the globe.
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No, "Palindrome" is that movie where Sarah Palin and Debbie Harry are chained to a wall of electrified clay and whipped. I think Henry Kissinger wrote the script.
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First, I already acknowledged my mistake. Sorry to offend you with my error of comedy. I will stick to number-based puns from now on.
Second, I think you are entirely wrong. She is here to thrill, amuse and appeal to me in whatever way gets me to vote for her. Being attractive and smart and charming are all part of the game. And as such, I a feel very happy to comment on her performance.
Besides, holy horse rider, this is the DCist blog. If I want to spout of irreverently about Sarah Palin being the embodiment of crass, ugly, "God Blessed all of us, but me more than you" self-absorbed America, then here's where I come.
And in closing, I wouldn't worry about not trying, I'd say you're a natural. God Bless America.
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So, which bars will be packed for the McCain speech tonight? Oh wait, we'll all be watching the Redskins game.
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It is happening again...It is happening again...
I do have to say I enjoy hearing Palin, simply because it is reminding me of my teens when we all discovered how weird people who live north of California and west of Missoula, Montana(!!!) are. Between Twin Peaks, Northern Exposure, and On Deadly Ground, the early nineties were all about America's other armpit.
Every period of time we all need a backassward corner of the world to laugh at. Back then it was the Pacific northwest. Before that it was Australia which even attracted the attention of exclusive prep school girls.
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It's a common misconception that Henry Kissinger authored the script to Palindrome. It was, in fact, ghostwritten on spec by former Cambodian Prime Minister Lon Nol during his brief exile in Simi Valley.
Kissinger did, however, contribute the ill-received sequel, Palindrome II: Electric Boogagloo, in which a young pre-Body Count Ice T first rapped his way into our hearts.
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i guess i just don't type fast enough in addition to being a natural bitch.
Cleveland you don't defend yourself at all saying you've commented on her "performance" - you haven't commented on that at all. you simply pointed out your preference on her looks and her annoying voice.
you can call her the embodiment of crass, ugly America on here all you want, i agree it's a great forum for it. i'm just exercising my right to say I don't care about your taste in women.
and i don't ride horses, holy or otherwise, thank you.
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Ian, you don't get it because you are an ultra-liberal metro member of the Angry Left. To you anything to the right of a communist is a rightwing nutjob. People like you never get it...you are so close-minded you only see your little world and don't understand anything outside of it.
Now that my comment is about half as stereotypical as yours, I'll get to some actual substance.
She slammed "community organizers" because Obama and his ilk seem to think that is amazing experience to be President. Whereas they think being a mayor and governor pales in comparison. That's just hilarious at best. Say what you want, but Palin has more relevant experience than the top of the Democrat ticket. You may not like it, and there are others factors besides experience, but it is still true. Regardless, the more the media and know-it-all elite attack her, the more it helps her and McCain.
For what it's worth, I'm a libertarian. I hate Republicans, but I really hate Democrats.
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Didn't see the speech, but saw replays of it this morning. I was distracted by her nasally speaking voice. And she has a sorta weird speaking pattern.
But even with those quibbles, I'd let her pet my caribou! Maybe!
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I don't think anyone has ever claimed that community organizer is "amazing experience to be President".
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Well, how are we supposed to comment on her "performance" until we've "ridden her around the ring" a few times? I'd like to see her workout a little first, see if she's a front runner or come-from-behind, find out what her whole card is, what makes her run. I'd say she doesn't like to be rated. She likes to get out in front, open up a little lead, take a little breather in the backstretch, and then come home free. She's got a touch of class, but I don't know how far she can go. A lot depends on who's in the saddle.
Anyway, she's still a lot better looking than Sarah Jessica Parker and probably eats less hay. Maybe!
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I'm glad you can make such sweeping generalizations about me based on so little information, HCE. You've cut me deeply.
Palin wasn't just attacking Obama on the issue of whether the experience of being a community organizer was sufficient to the job to which he's applying. That was certainly part of it, but her tone and her words attacked the very idea of community organizing, and that's what's ugly and offensive.
And for what it's worth, Obama has never said Palin is unqualified to be VP, and neither have I. That debate, particularly as it's been framed in this election, is pointless. It values quantity over quality (how many years have you had in this or that position), years of a candidate's service over their stands on issues. I'd vote for a candidate with Palin's exact experience in a heartbeat if I didn't find her ideology offensive.
I'm not sure what's close-minded about questioning why some people make voting decisions based on impressions rather than issues.
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wonderwazz:
Try Mavis Beacon. It'll help one of your problems.
I don't feel the need to address your point (let alone "defend" myself") in the slightest other than to say that I think what I think and that's all there is to it. You are free to disagree with it, with me, whatever you want. But I think you should have a little shame about trying to goad someone into a fight.
Anyhow, I am surprised that you don't see how looks and voice aren't part of the performance. I mean, isn't that what these convention speeches are all about? It's the circus maximus of America. If you don't find that important, then I don't know if I can help you.
I suggest the following exercise: go on a date not dressing up nicely, not wearing good make up and speaking in a voice that grates on your date's ears. See how it goes and report back.
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"I am surprised that you don't see how looks and voice aren't part of the performance."
Voice? Are you kidding me? More Americans sound like her than sound like Obama, Biden or McCain. The Northern Cities Vowell Shift is slowly taking over our country. In ten years, everybody is going to be talking like a Duluth ex-pat.
Scary stuff. Maybe!
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Like so many in her party, I think she's a mudder.
Her finest point of racing is in wet, dirty, sloppy, obfuscated, and generally sh*tty conditions.
Run Seabiscuit! Run!
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Palin looks like Tina Fey.
Tina Fey is hot.
Therefore, Palin is hot.
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"Do you solemnly swear that you will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of your ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States?"
"Ja! You betcha!"
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Or:
Palin looks like a horse
Horses run fast
Therefore Palin runs fast.
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Wait, you mean hordes of people are showing up for Obama because his stances on the issues and not their impressions of him? Please.
I really hope that's not the case since his stance on most issues seems to be that more government is the answer to every problem. Except for Iraq of course where he is for less government intervention.
As for impressions, are you talking about your impressions of how she mocked Obama's experience? You seemed to think she was mocking community organizers, but I saw the speech and I'm pretty sure she was mocking Obama. I know that's hard to swallow for most of the devoted.
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"the more the media and know-it-all elite attack her"
Um, the two biggest media elites - Rupert Murdoch and Rush Limbaugh - are totally in the tank for Palin.
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The only impression I got was of her doing her best Secretariat.
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You know Palin would just lie there in bed, cold as the great Northwest, smiling, begging for approval. It's actually a common Republican position called the "Iowa Caucus."
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Let's face it. Neither Obama nor Palin have decades of Washington experience.
So when you don't have experience, you have to look at judgement.
Obama opposed the Iraq war. Palin supported it, lock stock and barrel.
Palin also chose to engage in divisive, mocking politics her very first national turn at bat.
That to me says a whole lot, both about Palin and about McCain's cynicism in using her this way.
And Palin is on record as opposing health care coverage (or any other benefits) for the same sex partners of government workers.
Say what you want about The Gays, but denying ANYONE health care is just downright mean.
I'm with HCE, in that I'm neither Rep or Dem. But Palin's nasty tone really grated.
And I grew up with these Christianists, of which Palin is their new hero. I know exactly what they are capable of. Believe me, if given the chance they really will end abortion, end contraception, launch wars and determine foreign policy based on spreading Christianity or punishing 'infidels', demonize gays, etc.
Yes, Obama can be a bit 'pie in the sky'. But I'll take that over mean-spirited anyday.
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Drill! Drill! Drill!
Drill! Drill! Drill!
Drill! Drill! Drill!
Drill! Drill! Drill!
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haha Mavis Beacon. i totally forgot about that!! yay second grade.
anyways, I wasn't "trying to goad someone into a fight," hence saying I wasn't trying to sound like a bitch, as postings so often come off as. but you took it and went the other way with that one...
I'll leave it at this: looks and voice are definitely *part* of the performance. But there's a difference though between applauding Obama's eloquence and then taking cheap shots at someone's haircut and makeup. And you would never describe your reaction to Biden's speech as "well he's a cruddy looking old man with grey hair and i would never sleep with him" I'm not a feminist in the least bit, but come on, all we hear about Palin is what she looks like... and agreed that her voice is a bit weird, but can you really help that?
me going out on a date is hardly comparable to giving a VP speech anyways. i like to involve a lot more beer.
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"And you would never describe your reaction to Biden's speech as "well he's a cruddy looking old man with grey hair and i would never sleep with him""
A lot of us homos do exactly that.
For the record, the only ones worth getting lost in a snowstorm with are Todd Palin and Baby Daddy Levi.
Obama's passable, but way too skinny. Those shoulder-blades cut put an eye out...
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I love that in a post including stories about a bomb scare and murdering police officers on the job again, the entire DCist community is only concerned with Palin puns and her looks. Well done morons.
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Blow me.
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Despite her claims as a reformer who will end wasteful spending and reform earmarks, as mayor, Palin hired a lobbyist and flew to DC annually to ask for federal dollars, totaling 27 million. During her race for governor in 2006 she sided with Senator Ted Stevens (a rival of McCain, interestingly) and his "bridge to nowhere" but has since backed off when it became unpopular. Alaska has a long history of being addicted to federal handouts, which contrasts sharply with the overall Republican attitude as such, especially McCain, who has fought on the Senate floor with Stevens over these allowances.
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James Carville was right, they should've picked Olympia Snowe.
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"me going out on a date is hardly comparable to giving a VP speech anyways. i like to involve a lot more beer."
And I'm sure it happens more than once every 4 years. But seriously, you're a good sport. No offence intended.
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Palin = Elle Woods
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"James Carville was right, they should've picked Olympia Snowe."
Now there's some Snowe nobody's lining up to plow.
To be fair, I'd also be 'biden' my time on banging Biden.
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Oh no, not "mean-spirited"! Making fun of Obama making fun of her experience is "divisive"? I wonder what that makes Obama.
Criticize where you disagree with her, but getting in a hissy fit over that speech either shows unhealthy sensitivity or rabid moonbattiness.
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Now there's some Snowe nobody's lining up to plow.
To be fair, I'd also be 'biden' my time on banging Biden.
Politics is show business for ugly people. Remember, you dont have to f*ck them, you just have to vote for them. I'm sure they feel the same way about some of the fugly trolls they have to shake hands and eat pancakes with on the Trail.
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It annoys me that the Republicans claim it's unethical for journalists to bring up Palin's children, but she can bring them up all she wants. Bleh.
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obama and palin are both rorschach tests... look at 'em and you'll see what you want to see...
and boy do they bring out the partisan cheerleaders and haters on each side... sadly, there's no sense in trying to persuade these folks (dcist staff included) that there are reasons to like the opposing candidate or dislike their own candidate... they're too personally invested in their partisanship...
... maybe!
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Sneering at community activism is pretty mean-spirited.
Using cultural differences as a political bludgeon is both mean-spirited and cynical. And apparently that's her forte. She used the abortion issue to get elected mayor of a tiny town. How is that not cynical?
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Now there's some Snowe nobody's lining up to plow.
I would 'plow' it 'Greek Style' if she was a little younger.
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"come across as rather appealing to a large swath of independent voters."
That's a joke right? You meant to say, she hypocritically ridiculed her opponent, forgot that her running mate was actually one of the so-called washington elite, offered nothing of substance and alienated anyone in the middle who might actually believe a little of Obama's message. Right?
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"You seemed to think she was mocking community organizers, but I saw the speech and I'm pretty sure she was mocking Obama. I know that's hard to swallow for most of the devoted."
First off, you wear partisan blinders just as much as the rest of us here, so you can drop the bullshit. Second, the line was:
"I guess a small-town mayor if sort of like a community organizer, except that you have actual responsibilities."
Please explain to the class how that line refers only to Obama, and not to every other community organizer.
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Great post by Will Batch of the Philly Daily News today:
http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/Sad.html
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oh jesus, can we all just drop this. i just can't wait to see the VP debate. that's going to be interesting. it's being moderated by a woman, so let's see how people blame gwen ifill of being sexist when she asks palin questions about being a mother, a woman, etc...
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thanks, politburo. you beat me to it.
i got that there were some conservative base code words (servant's heart, etc.), but "I guess -- I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a community organizer, except that you have actual responsibilities," sounds like a pretty blatant junkpunch to an entire class of who i'm guessing are mostly volunteers.
speech full of name-calling, but no actual substance. but all the more threatening for people dying to swallow it hook, line, sinker, and buckshot.
and i'm not taking her word on her knowledge of the north slope. yeah, there may be a good deal of oil there, but in the context of energy demands, there's lots of debate on how much that actually is. pretty bold out-of-context half-truth there.
it's waaaaay to early to have outrage fatigue. maybe!
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IMGoph: Hopefully, she would be wise enough to avoid that crap altogether, since there is nothing the two could "debate" with those questions. However, based on the previous "debates" this year, I'm not holding out any hope.
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"First off, you wear partisan blinders just as much as the rest of us here..."
Please. I haven't voted for a Republican or Democrat since 1996. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you have. I'll admit I don't like Obama because he comes across as a closeted socialist. That describes many in both parties these days, but with his band of happy followers that is quite scary. I don't like the Republicans much better, but I'm less fearful of their social conservatism. Has the country gotten more or less socially liberal these past 10 years? Marijuana, gay marriage, and other issues have all seen advancement. I would say it's the opposite case for fiscal conservatism. That has been hammered as both parties have increased government spending. For what it's worth, it's hard to argue that the Democrats want to increase government less than the Republicans.
"Please explain to the class how that line refers only to Obama, and not to every other community organizer."
Here are the lines before that. Seems to me she is talking about Obama...
[Before I became governor of the great state of Alaska, I was mayor of my hometown.
And since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look down on that experience, let me explain to them what the job involves.]
If you really want to argue that community organizers have more responsibilities than mayors, go ahead and run with that.
It doesn't surprise me that most hardcore Dem partisans don't understand why her speech appeals to independents. They have drunk the kool-aid already. Obama has a certain appeal as well, but if you don't think Palin has appeal, then you have your eyes closed.
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OK, ideological blinders, then. Same concept.
I'm not making the argument that organizers have more responsibilities than mayors. In fact, no one is. You keep responding to these arguments that no one is making.
You did not at all explain how the line only refers to Obama's work as an organizer, and how it somehow does not belittle the work of all other organizers.
Including the lines you paste just makes the line look even more worse. After that intro line, she never explained what the job involved. By her account, small town Alaska mayors spend all their time mocking community organizers.
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Ummm...I hear ya bro.
But, surely there must be something in that stone cold heart of yours that recognizes that Obama is far more likely to advocate for real energy/environmental reform than MCain and his new VP . Who knows, maybe he'll make us suffer through all kinds of boring crap about ending poverty and all that. But I think it's fair to ay that Dems are more rational about the environment than the Pubs.
I watched an arena full of allegedly rational people chant "Drill Drill Drill!" because the idea of drilling up ANWAR for all that lovely oil. Are you kidding me? this is crazy! It's a madness in them that suggests that we don't impact our environment, that burning fossil fuels is clean and good, that room full of rational adult would chant like animals for the purposes of making an oil company richer...? If that isn't Orwellian in the extreme, I don't know what is.
There's something so bratty and childish about denying the most basic truths about our world. Being Pro-life is actually something I can understand. I don;t agree, but I get where those folks are coming from. But teaching creationism in schools as if it were something other than a nice story? To me, that's different. That says, you live in a complete bubble. A pretend world. The land of made-up shit. A world where you are making a conscious and willful stand against reason and experience in the name of a mystical idea or belief.
It's adolescence (bratty, defiant, stupid and smug) run amok. And now you want to be in charge? Forget Orwell, now you're getting Kafkaesque .
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i've known community organizers, and you sir, are no community organizer.
my favorite part of the speech was when Palin's little girl licked her hand and smeared her spit on the down syndrome baby's hair. if i'm ever having bad day, all i'll have to do is think of that special, shining moment.
with all of her makeup, her designer glasses (that attempt to make her look intelligent), her Peggy Bundy hairdo, and her form fitting attire, yeah, she's an attractive politician. but peel all of that away and it'd be like peeling the skin off of a sausage. ew! i want to see her on the cover of The Enquirer's "Celebrities Without Makeup" edition. i bet she's got enough cheese on her thighs to feed an entire eskimo tribe for the winter.
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Dude, she got the industrial level smooth'n'shine on her. Probably run the Bosch on her fer a couple hours, get her real smooth and silkly, get a kind of a satin finsh, like my bathroom.
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Politburo,
Hey, believe what you want to believe; you'll do so anyway. That's exactly what her speech was: an attack on community organizers. LOL. I'm sure that's exactly what independents took away from it.
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Once again you respond to an argument that wasn't made..
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I tend to believe what I first posit as a possibility and then investiagte from many perspectives. That's a good way to go. try it out.
CNN's Roland Martin seemed to think Palin's remarks about community organizers were pretty shallow.
"My two parents are sitting home in Houston, Texas and they are both community organizers and the GOP and Sarah Palin might have well have said "being community organizers doesn't matter" to my parents face. I'm disgusted. Community organizers keep people in their homes, keep their lights on, keep food in the fridge."
I work in the community here in DC. Are you telling me that people like me who volunteer don't matter?
That our city would be no better or worse for our efforts? Is that what you believe? I'd say a person who does that work has a far better sense of what "boots on the ground" means when it comes to public service. But hey, if you want to put another faker, a priest of half-truth, a lier and denier, a fool without conscience in the whitehouse, a blow up barbie from the ass-end of America.....why the hell not?
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par for the course, politburo. you can't have a debate with someone who speaks in talking points.
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HCE says Palin has more relevant experience than the top of the Democrat[ic] ticket.
Palin, B.S. Journalism, U of Idaho, Miss Alaska beauty pageant runner-up, TV sportscaster, town councillor, mayor (Wassilla, AK, pop. ~6000 when she was elected) and two years as governor of a state that is the US version of Saudi Arabia, awash in oil revenue and sparsely populated.
Obama, B.A. Poli Sci, Columbia, J. D. Harvard Law, President Harvard Law Review, community organizer, state senator from Illinois (a large, diverse, industrial/agricultural state with a mix of urban and rural areas and the attendant array of problems) from a district about 35 times larger than Wassilla, and four years as U. S. Senator.
I guess more relevant because being mayor of a tiny town is an executive job? All those tough executive decisions about potholes and garbage collection and which books to ban from the local library.
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You know what executives do?
The take executive shits in their executive bathrooms.
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Thank you, Whitman! And don't forget, he also taught constitutional law at one of the nation's top law schools.
I actually think the experience debate isn't the point (aside from questioning McCain's judgement in his first presidential decision). The much scarier thing about Palin is her extreme conservatism and abuse of power in both her positions as mayor and governor. Seriously, trying to fire the town librarian because she won't remove some books you think are offensive? Firing the top law enforcement officer because he won't fire your ex-brother-in-law? REALLY?
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This comment thread made my day, really, I want to thank everyone for giving me a worthwhile distraction. And HCE, don't hold your head up so high, you're stepping in dogsh*t.
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Whitman22 and Esmeralda - and practiced law at a civil rights law firm! i've been dying to get that in there after reading some crazy article that he had "only" been a community organizer all his life. whatevs. maybe!
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Keep drinking the kool-aid while continuing to think you understand people different from you by rarely engaging them and mocking them when you do. There are reasons I hate conservatives, but there are many more reasons I really hate liberals. Many of you illustrate this point very well.
Gotta love how Whitman pulls out the mayor position as an executive job while ignoring the governor job. I see you have the Obama talking points down well. And you wonder why he gets mocked in a speech.
I'm not overly wowed by Palin, but if you can't see why her speech might have appealed to independents, then you might need to get out more.
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"Community organizer" has become this year's new pejorative for the RNC. Rudy belched it out before Palin did and he drew large laughs with it as well. Underscored, for me, that very special GOP brand of smug populism.
Speaking of which: Does anybody remember how barrel oil and gas pump prices dropped at this same point in the two previous elections? And, what was that first strategy suggested in Mein Kampf? Was it the Big Lie or something like that?
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"Keep drinking the kool-aid while continuing to think you understand people different from you by rarely engaging them and mocking them when you do."
Pretty rich coming from the poster whose first comment on this thread began:
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And, what was that first strategy suggested in Mein Kampf?
So, does Godwin's Law cover just Hitler, or Hitler's writing as well? Because some of his poetry is actually pretty decent. Much better than Sylvia Plath's.
And didn't Rabid Moonbatty used to play drums for The Who?
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Poltiburo,
And my first comment was followed by...
"Now that my comment is about half as stereotypical as yours, I'll get to some actual substance."
It was an attempt to show how goofy Ian's comment was by pointing out the other extreme. Nice omission there. Maybe you can work for the Post and write a long article about an Alaskan State Trooper without mentioning he tasered a 10 year old.
As for the other point, I stand by that. I don't see independents seeing that speech as nasty. Dem partisans may not like it, but her zingers were very tame (especially considering what she has faced the week previous). You have to be pretty deep into the kool-aid to get all worked up over that speech. All sorts of other things on both sides to get worked up about.
Politburo, debating politics with you is pointless. I'm done with it. You have your views and I doubt those will change even 1% no matter what you see, hear, or read. Best of luck with that.
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You are correct, I missed that part. But I dunno where you get "worked up" from. I only pointed out that your argument was a strawman (several times, in fact).
If you don't see independents thinking the speech was nasty, then you're just not paying attention. There were several major media stories that had reactions from independent voters expressing that opinion (as well as expressing the opposite opinion).
What is interesting to me is that almost every charge you make is equally valid to you.. do you really not see that?