In the picture, it looks like they have their heads bowed, in the traditional posture used by those who believe they are telepathically communicating with supernatural beings.

Just goes to show: once you let one delusional belief into your life, it's easier to believe in other silly delusions.

Jesus Christ. Some people can really have a fucked up sense of reality. I wonder if conspiracies are as popular in other countries as they are here.

Unseen in this photo, are casting agents ready to tell them how they can cash in their slightly unstable mental capacity and relative low IQ into Reality TV gold!

I can't believe you actually gave so much blog space to the crazies.

I found it!

I've never understood the impulse to protest the Supreme Court. Do people really want the justices to be making their decisions based upon a crowd outside their offices? Really?

Exactly. What's so crazy about people exercising their Constitutional rights? I know another crazy guy. He's got long air, works as a carpenter, has a lot of crazy ideas about love and brotherhood. His name's Gunnar and he's dating my mom. Sometimes he buys us beer.

it's all fun and games until Obama launches a nuclear attack on the US with his Blackberry while he sits safely in an North African bunker.

One of us. One of us. One of us.

Reid: That is why they are praying, you see god grants prayers only in close proximity to the prayer-power-receiver, sort of like cell tower triangulation, in this case the power must be focused at the Court. If you want to send a laser beam of god power into a building, you must be within 2 blocks. Praying from home don't work. I tried.

"He's got long air, works as a carpenter"

'long air'?... monkeyrotica's gone cockney

where have all the paultards gone? i really miss their crazy style as well...

I'm wondering, what is the normal 'background check' process for Presidential candidates? Who exactly is in charge of checking the citizenship status of candidates for office? Since citizenship is a constitutional requirement, someone must check it, right?

Of course, I'm certain these protesters are only pushing this issue because Obama is half-black, but this sounds like the type of thing that could be settled very easily in about 17 seconds. Wasn't Obama born in Hawaii? I was under the impression that anyone born on U.S. soil is a U.S. citizen.

How exactly would Obama have dual British citizenship anyway?

Whatever happened to the "sacredness" of the political system? The election is over and he won fair and square. Leave him alone. Just because you don't like the results, doesn't mean you have the right to overturn them. We voted. Move on.

I don't understand why people say Obama is hiding something and isn't talking about who he is?! He has provided a reasonable measure of documentation - I would imagine that he is ignoring the rest because it's preposterous and a waste of his time.

I'm wondering, what is the normal 'background check' process for Presidential candidates? Who exactly is in charge of checking the citizenship status of candidates for office? Since citizenship is a constitutional requirement, someone must check it, right? THIS IS PART OF THE PROBLEM, WE HAVE NO STATE LAW THAT REQUIRES VERIFICATION PRIOR TO THE ELECTION. WE ACTUALLY HAD A CANDIDATE WITH A GREEN CARD ON THE BALLOT IN FIVE STATES IN THIS LAST CAMPAIGN. THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT EACH PARTY WILL VET THEIR CANDIDATE HOWEVER IT IS NOT REQUIRED.

Of course, I'm certain these protesters are only pushing this issue because Obama is half-black, but this sounds like the type of thing that could be settled very easily in about 17 seconds. Wasn't Obama born in Hawaii? I was under the impression that anyone born on U.S. soil is a U.S. citizen. THIS REALLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE, THIS IS SIMPLY A CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE. THE SAME ISSUE THAT McCAIN HAD TO ANSWER LAST FEBRUARY - WHICH HE ANSWERED.

How exactly would Obama have dual British citizenship anyway? AT THE TIME OF HIS BIRTH KENYA (HIS FATHERS COUNTRY) WAS STILL PART OF THE BRITISH COLONIES. THE CONSTITUTION WAS WRITTEN THE WAY THAT IT WAS TO PREVENT ALLEGIANCES TO ANY OTHER COUNTRY EXCEPT THE UNITED STATES - FOR OUR PROTECTION.

Whatever happened to the "sacredness" of the political system? The election is over and he won fair and square. Leave him alone. Just because you don't like the results, doesn't mean you have the right to overturn them. We voted. Move on.
I BELIEVE WE ALL AGREE TO THE "SACREDNES" OF OUR DEMOCRACY, FOR WHICH THE CONSTITUTION IS THE VERY BASIS. HOWEVER, THE ELECTION IS NOT OVER UNTIL THE ELECTORS HAVE PLACED THEIR VOTES ON DECEMBER 15TH. THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN ON THE TABLE FOR OVER A YEAR UNANSWERED.

PLEASE DON'T BLAME THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS AFTER ALL THIS TIME. THE QUESTION SHOULD BE "WHY HAVEN'T THESE QUESTIONS BEEN ANSWERED?".

FACT - HAWAII DOES ALLOW FOREIGN BORN CHILDREN TO HAVE THEIR BIRTHS REGISTERED IN THE STATE AND HAWAII WOULD PROVIDE A CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH IN SUCH CASES. HAWAII HAS NOT STATED THAT OBAMA WAS BORN IN HAWAII, ONLY THAT HIS ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS WERE FILED IN ACCORDANCE WITH HAWAII GUIDELINES. WHY DIDN'T THEY SAY HE WAS BORN THERE?

FACT - OBAMA WAS BORN UNDER DUAL CITIZENSHIP AS STATED ON HIS OWN WEBSITE - PLEASE TAKE A LOOK.

THESE ARE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS.........

Petitq: Whatever happened to the "sacredness" of the political system? The election is over and he won fair and square. Leave him alone. Just because you don't like the results, doesn't mean you have the right to overturn them. We voted. Move on.

What 'sacredness'? Government operates under the rule of law. The paramount law in the U.S. is the Constitution, which states that the President must be a citizen. If Arnold Schwarznegger somehow got on the ballot and was elected president by 100% of the population in a 'fair and square' election, he still could not be President because he is not a citizen. Just like Obama could not be president - despite being elected - if it somehow turned out that he is not a citizen.

The right to challenge the results also stems from the Constitution - you know, the whole 'right to petition the government for a redress of greivances' thing. Now, it seems pretty obvious that these protesters have run out of options and are using the 'kitchen sink' approach to stopping Obama being president.

However as an attorney I take a very objective view of situations such as this. I try to strip away the rhetoric and name-calling and take a look at the genuine issue (if there is one).

I'd like to point out that I do not support these protesters one bit, and I voted for Obama, but I also believe in the Constitution. It's the foundation of our entire system of government.

Some questions have been raised, and I think I have some answers:

First, @Jim: read the line again; Amanda wrote "strongest" not strong. Big difference. The other challenges haven't warrented a review by the Supreme Court, this one has. Hence it is by definition the "strongest." But it most definitly is not "strong" to make it much further. Just because the SC agreed to look at it (they do this with hundreds of cases) doesn't mean they will hear arguements (which is only dozens of cases a year).

Second, @Island: Should the sky fall, and the SC gets anal probed by Kang and Kodos into overturning the election, but before the Electoral College casts their votes, the Dems would be able to replace Obama with whoever they want (Biden or anyone). I saw a Slate.com Explainer article on this awhile back. After the Electoral College casts their votes, and Obama is the winner, then the S**T hits the fan; we're in a constitutional crisis like no other before. God knows what's happens; which is another big reason why nothing will happen. The SC doesn't like to directly interfer in normally properly functioning democratic processes (2000 FL not withstanding).

Third, also @Island: FBI is in charge of background checks; they do them for anyone going before the Senate for confirmation. What has been reported by actual, fact checking organizations is that Obama's HI birth certifcate is in a vault in HI, probably next to everyone else's who have been born in the state. These "copies" aren't copies in the normal sense of the word, but official gov documents, just not the original that states kinda don't want to lose. Hence keeping it locked in a safe, to keep it, you know, safe.

Fourth, these people do have a 1st Ammendment right to petition the government, and that deserves to be repected, especially since there is a large majority who are calling them down. However, just because they deserve the right to petition, does not mean they are right (or sane). This is an incredable waste of time, especially considering all the (similarly crazy) issues that arose with McCain's own citizenship status. Lay off it people; Obama won, move on. Put your energies into the democratic process (not the judicial process) to get the policies you want. It's really that simple!

Oh, for the love of God!!!!!!! Do we really want these Supremes to have the final word (again!) on who gets to be the Next President of the United States of America???

Okay, okay, maybe America's Next Top Model, but not POTUS.

This media is finally being forced to cover this. The issue started with McCain. As far back as last February you can find an article in the New York Times accusing McCain of not being a "natural born citizen". McCain then produced all of his birth records for review by the Senate and after review they declared that under the law McCain was a "natural born citizen". http://www.opencongress.org/bill/110-sr511/text

At the same time questions were being asked of Obama. The press then like now have a blackout on any topic that may be negative towards him. If you look at the link you will see Obama was present for the vote on McCain. Did Obama take the time to stand up and say,"Ladies and Gentlemen, I have been asked this same question and would like you to review all of my records so that this question can be answered before the election. As a Constitutional attorney I understand the crisis that would result from an ineligible candidate being elected."

Instead Obama produced a worthless piece of paper to websites like factcheck, fighthesmears, and others. The problem is that even if the CERTIFICATION of Live Birth is authentic, it is not evidence in Hawaii of where a child was born. A person cannot get a drivers license of a passport with what Obama produced. Here is what the State of Hawaii says about the difference between a "CERTIFICATION" versus a "CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH". The Certification is not good to prove where you are born and requires a person to sign a release and have the State produce a Certificate of Live Birth.
http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl
"In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL."

So at this point in time no one except for Obama and some of his family really know where he was born. His stubborn refusal to sign a release and pay $12.00 has created a national crisis. And please do not keep saying the State of Hawaii has confirmed he was born in Hawaii. They have not. In a carefully worded release all they have said is that they are holding his original birth certificate, which the State can only release if Obama signs a release and pays the $12.00.

For example, Obama's half sister was born in Indonesia. The laws in Hawaii at the time allowed a Hawaiian citizen to register that birth in Hawaii within one year of the birth. So Obama's parents registered his half-sister’s birth in Hawaii, just like Obama. His sister can produce a Certification of Live Birth that would look almost identical to Obama's. Does that prove she was born in Hawaii? No.

All of the hospitals at the time would send a list of all birth registrations to the local papers to be issued in the local paper.

So why is it important to know where Obama was born? The laws at the time, and that would still apply to Obama, are such that if he was born in a foreign country he would not be a "natural born citizen". That would be due to the fact that his mother was a US citizen, his father a foreign national. Obama's mother would have had to live in the US for five years after the age of 14. She was several months short of that when Obama was born. So until Obama signs a release and pays the $12.00 there is only speculation because the Certification of Live Birth produced by Obama does not prove that he was born in Hawaii.

There are also the questions of whether Obama gave his US citizenship up in Indonesia, how he came to travel to Pakistan in 1981 when it was a no fly zone for US citizens. There is also the question whether Obama registered at colleges as an Indonesian citizen.

So Obama and the DNC have brought this on themselves. This has been an issue since at least last February. Obama and his legal team have sealed all of his records. Three law firms showed up for Obama and the DNC in the Berg case to fight the case on the technical ground that a citizen cannot ask a candidate this question. To date Obama has spent over $800.000.00 to protect his past and the production of a $12.00 birth certificate.

There are now upwards of 30 law suits filed around the country, five to the Supreme Court. One filed in California Sacramento Superior Court Case 80000096 by Alan Keyes the Independent Party candidate that was on the ballot. As he was on the ballot he will not suffer the technical challenge of lack of standing.

c'mon, RAPTURE. Git these zombies offa my plane of reality...

See, it's times like this when I really miss pleskowicz.

Sniff. Excuse me. I think I have something in my eye.

So when Obama was an infant, his family was so sure that he'd grow up and be president that they went to all possible extents not only to make sure he got American citizenship, but also covered up foreign birth and/or citizenship? Not knowing he would be elected President, dual citizenship would probably be an advantage and not something to try to hide at the time he was a baby. And he did have dual citizenship through his childhood and into his political career, where's the paper trail?f And why would he have put everything into the Presidency if he had faulty credentials, when any other position in the country would be open and he has more than enough talent to achieve them? A conspiracy to be President is so much harder to pull off than becomming CEO of a huge, powerful MNC. All signs regarding the citizenship "conspiracy" point to bullshit.

I have trouble believing that when Obama was still a baby his family would have had any reason to cover up his nation of origin. And if it were something more recent during his political career, there'd just have to be some dirt that Clinton or McCain could've dug up. The fact that this waited til after the election was over clearly shows me that Obama proved everything he needed to, and all his documents were sufficient.

Has anyone else heard that Obama is black? I read it somewhere on the Interwebbednets.

The funny thing about all this is that John McCain was indisputably born on a U.S. Naval base in Panama -- which is clearly not a part of the United States. While the base was part of the now-defunct Panama Canal zone, which was established by the Hay Bunau-Varilla treaty in 1903, that agreement was in essence a rental contract between the U.S. and a newly-sovereign Panama, whereby the U.S. paid Panama $250,000 annually for the rights to the territory established in the zone. Whether that contract could be considered the basis of natural-born citizenship would probably be for the courts to decide -- but of course we aren't having that discussion because McCain lost and, in any event, he's white.

@Jim: read the line again; Amanda wrote "strongest" not strong. Big difference. The other challenges haven't warrented a review by the Supreme Court, this one has. Hence it is by definition the "strongest." But it most definitly is not "strong" to make it much further. Just because the SC agreed to look at it (they do this with hundreds of cases) doesn't mean they will hear arguements (which is only dozens of cases a year).

Two clarifications, SpeakSoftly. A) it's not Amanda, she just posted it; it was Dave Weigel of Reason who wrote it, I believe.
B) I don't think the fact that it was before the Supreme Court makes it "strong" or "stronger" or "strongest" - it just means someone ponied up the filing fee and the time to write the petition.

Of course, as you noted, simply having a first amendment right to do something doesn't make it reasonable or right.
And - not directed at SpeakSoftly - having a right to "petition for redress of grievances" does not really have a thing to do with Supreme Court review. They are going to immediately look for standing, and I suspect they will find that the petitioner has none.

THESE ARE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS.........

Well, I didn't believe you until you shouted about it.

Re the video - have fun trying to meet on the steps of the temple-like building. I'm sure the security guards would love to have a word with you. You better stick to the sidewalk.

@out on an island: Indeed. Also, sarcasm is the scourge of teh interwebs.

Obama is Bigfoot!

It seems brainwashed Americans are not ready to see the truth.

Americans were FOOLED. Almost everything about Obama is FAKE, including possibly his birth certificate. The Obama image was manufactured by a very expensive campaign, financed with hundreds of millions of dollars, donated largely by U.S. enemies such as George Soros.

It turns out Americans are as foolish as the most ignorant Venezuelans, Bolivians and Ecuadorians who believed in CHANGE and YES WE CAN and now see that CHANGE means change toward Marxism, loss of freedom and rights, and greater poverty, despair and corruption. And YES WE CAN means Marxists like Castro, Chavez and Obama CAN fool people

It seems Soviet defector Yuri Bezmenov was right when he warned that, through media manipulation, Americans would be brainwashed and would allow their country to be taken over by Marxists: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6KUDv1wzraWhwlBt1

If Obama does not meet Constitutional requirements to hold the office of President, the Court must decertify the election. Americans have the right to be protected from Marxists planted by U.S. enemies to destroy us.

I'm still skeptical that this "Hawaii" is even a state at all. I've never heard of it until now. What kind of REAL Americans wear grass shirts, coconut bras, and put Tom Selleck in charge of police operations??

You are right, John Adams. It's incredible how the brainwashed seems to think that it's normal that no one except for Obama and some of his family really know where he was born.

Obama's stubborn refusal to sign a release and pay $12.00 has created a national crisis. The State of Hawaii has confirmed he was born in Hawaii. They have not. They said is that they are holding his original birth certificate, which the State can only release if Obama signs a release and pays the $12.00.

No records of Obama's birth have been found in any hospital in Hawaii. Who was the doctor that helped with the delivery?

Additionally, Obama has had practically all his records sealed. Why? We don't really know who he is. All we know is that hundreds of millions of dollars were spent to fool Americans to believe in an empty suit whose parents, mentors, relatives, friends and associates were Marxists who hate America.

If I pay $12 will John Adams and Antonio tattoo the fake Obama 'live birth certificate' on my bare ass?

These people believe the notion of traveling abroad before puberty and not on the US Army's dime is grounds for treason. McCain was born in Panama for crying out loud.

They do have a point though, as the US Constitution Article 2, section 1, clause 5 clearly states that the sole prerequisite for Presidential eligibility is:

To be born in a small town,
to live in a small town,
to probably die in a small town,
to be educated in a small town,
taught the fear of Jesus in a small town.

Oh wait, that's Johnny Cougar not Jimmy Madison.

All we know is that hundreds of millions of dollars were spent to fool Americans to believe in an empty suit whose parents, mentors, relatives, friends and associates were Marxists who hate America.

Man, they must have some detailed birth certificates in Hawaii.

Obama is a chupacabra!

I'm still waiting to see George W. Bush's birth certificate. I mean, that pasty white sumbitch never actually provided me with one!

Great, Wizzyliz. Now I have "'Cause paranoia will destroy ya" stuck in my head - and I don't even know the rest of that song!

guest number 10: still awaiting sentencing.

Obamacabra.

Wow! Imagine NSA, CIA and FBI who can find out just about anything about anybody, don't have a problem with his citizenship, but these kooks with their cut & paste arguments do.

Guess it's not only the poor who will always be with us.. lmao

steve, which one in the photo are you? i'd like to see what bat-sh*t crazy looks like.

Plus, dudes, the certificate of live birth says he was BORN IN HAWAII. It does not say "he was born".

Wait a minute here. So from following all of your discussions, that means that even though I was born overseas to American parents, didn't get my citizenship papers until after a year and I don't have a birth certificate... OH MY GAWD. That means that a. I'm a chupacabra or b., I'm Obama. Maybe!

Oh crap. does that mean you idjits will be protesting on my lawn too? Well, in that case, I live at

Number One Observatory Circle
Washington, DC

And if you see an evil looking old white guy with a shot gun, don't worry, he's more friendly than he looks. :)

Aw yeah! This here thread has hit the front page of memeorandum...get ready for a whole new level of crazy! If lovin' a good dose of teh crazy is wrong, I don't want to be right!

just a warning; if you've never been to freerepublic before, its not work safe. filled with hate, racism, pro-torture, pro-muslim extermination...

for safer doses google
freepermadness its a cool blog about teh crazy freepers

sore losers is the first thing that comes to mind.

Obama is the guy who won multiple elections by digging into his opponents' sealed divorce records.

If that is change you people believe in, then you are sick puppies.

Asking if he is a US citizen is about 1000 times more legitimate than snooping around your opponents' divorce records.

Have you ever noticed that Osama bin Laden's birth certificate and Barack Obama's birth certificate are never in the same room together?

thanks AIP guy. green is a cool color.

i did some research into the nature of my birth, and i come to find i'm a chimichanga.

no wait, a churro.

People know that children born abroad to at least one American citizen are also American citizens, right? Allowing the argument that he was born abroad, it still wouldn't make a difference, since his mom was Grade A Prime 'murican.

Judging by the comments, many of you are really concerned about Obama's legitimacy. Were you conned?

Check out this link http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/birthcertificate/index

I distinctly recall ">john5750 @ 12/05/08 05:31PM from another thread. And this is what I have to say.

With regards ... Silly as it Seems

~Jean Q Publique~
.

First of all, The title to your story is very misleading. The Donofrio's case has nothing to do with the whole birth certificate thing.

Fact: We know that the Framers recognized a difference between US citizens and natural born citizens.

We don’t need to look FOR the definition of natural born citizen.

We need to be looking AT the definition of a US citizen (which would be what is required to serve as Senator or Representative but isn’t quite enough to let one serve as President).

14th Amendment:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

This gives the SAME type of citizenship to those who are either:

1. BORN in the United States

OR

2. NATURALIZED in the United States

Either could serve in the Senate or House but NEITHER can serve as President because they are only citizens. Not natural born citizens. They receive the same type of citizenship in different ways.

A child BORN on US soil to two foreign parents is a citizen of the United States.

A child BORN on US soil to one foreign parent and one US citizen is a citizen of the United States.

A person naturalized in the United States is a citizen of the United States.

All Citizens of the United States can serve as Senators and Representatives. They cannot serve as President.

So, now that we've figured out who CAN'T be President, who is left that CAN?

A person with two US citizens as parents.

The only substantive question raised in the Donofrio v. Wells lawsuit is whether a person born with dual citizenship is eligible under the Constitution to be President. Obama has freely acknowledged that he was so born (U.S. and U.K.).

That's the issue at play here.

IMGoph-
You may be a churro, but you're not chocolate. And churros y chocolate must never mix, lest we all descend into tasty food-coma induced oblivion, leaving us unprepared for the forthcoming Al Queda invasion. I just read on the internets that this will be spear-headed AT THE INAUGURATION by Fleet-Footed Kenyan runners clad in shoes BOUGHT AT OUR MAYOR'S OWN FAMILY STORE!!!! The MAYOR'S FATHER IS PANAMANIAN! JUST LIKE MCCAIN!!!) and brought nigh to END OF TIMES.
Oh, yeah, and gay marriage will be the law of the land, and Israel will fall, too. But whatever about those things.

johnadams, that page doesn't say why the certification isn't sufficient to show that one is a natural born citizen. Also, your $10 argument is specious. It would cost absolutely nothing for John McCain to show me his cock, but I still wouldn't expect him to do it.

I'll shake your hand and share the land- on the day that chocolate-covered freepers become widely recognized as tasty-snacks.

Guess who? ;)

No, tinkerthinker. Common sense tells you not to make any substantive reponses to nutjobs.

First!

Well, if McCain got through even though he was born in Panama, I don't see why Obama couldn't get through if it turned out he also was an out of state birth. You can't have one standard for one, and another for the other.

The McCain decision has set a precedent.

Donofrio petition denied, without comment by the Court.

downtown rez: +1 tinfoil hat

You people are fucking ridiculous. The certification of birth produced by the State of Hawaii says that he was born in Honolulu on August 4th. The DOH confirmed that Obama was born in Hawaii. Yes, that he was born in Hawaii. There was a fucking birth announcement in the newspaper. The FBI was in charge of running the background check on him, and I trust their ability to figure these things out more than I trust the conspiracy-cracking skills of some random jackass with a political axe to grind. I don't give a shit about the dual citizenship thing. There's nothing in the Constitution about someone being ineligible for the Presidency because of dual citizenship. I don't give a shit about the Certification of Birth versus the Certification of Live Birth nonsense. If you're at the point where you're looking up Hawaiian birth registration law from 1961, you've officially gone pathetic.

are the crazies still posting to this thread?