Live Blogging Day 3 of Senate Action on D.C. Voting Rights

2009_0226_senate.jpg Catch up on Wednesday's senate debate here.

9:53 a.m. Jon Kyl and Maryland Sen. Ben Cardin have been hashing out Kyl's retrocession amendment for about 20 minutes now. We missed the opening salvo, but Cardin has made the overall point that Maryland would have to approve retrocession before it could actually happen, and Kyl has accepted that this is the case. Cardin further argues that the people of Maryland don't want the District to become part of their state, and Kyl further accepted that Cardin would know that better than he would.

Lieberman is now making the case that retrocession would also require the repeal of the 23rd amendment, which granted D.C. three electoral votes.

10:20 a.m. Delaware's Tom Carper (D) got up a little while ago and started talking about faith, a pretty good indication that the senate floor is practically empty still. He did get around to talking about the bill at hand eventually, waxing a little emotionally about how giving D.C. the vote is the right thing to do. After some more brief remarks from Lieberman, we're now just waiting for the vote on the Kyl amendment.

10:58 a.m. The retrocession amendment has failed, by a vote of 30-67. Kind of amazing that there are 30 senators perfectly willing to give the District to Maryland without bothering to consult either the District or Maryland. No matter though, since the amendment has now been dispensed with.

Lieberman says the next amendment on the bill to be taken up will be Jim DeMint's fairness doctrine amendment.

11:20 a.m. Sen. Grassley has been introducing other business related to the budget for a while, so we were able to go back and listen to all the Kyl amendment votes again, and we were surprised to find that Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Ut.), one of the bill's co-sponsors, voted for the retrocession amendment. Can't imagine Joe Lieberman appreciated his partner in this legislation voting in favor of such an addition. Why did Hatch do that?

11:31 a.m. John Ensign is talking about introducing an amendment that would tie the bill to keeping D.C.'s school voucher program intact in this year's budget. He's stopped short of actually introducing the amendment so far in the hopes that some kind of agreement on this can be reached separately.

11:35 a.m. Now Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) has come up to rebut Ensign's previous amendment, the one that would repeal D.C.'s current gun laws. This is the amendment that seems most likely to end up being approved, given the popularity of gun rights legislation among members of Congress. "I have been quiet on this," Feinstein says, "but we do need to fight back against these kinds of amendments."

12:01 p.m. Sen. Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) gave a densely-packed response to several amendments at once. He's against the fairness doctrine amendment, and for Ensign's suggestion to mandate keeping vouchers intact.

12:04 p.m. Lieberman is trying to schedule some votes on the remaining amendments. Looks like 2 p.m. for the Durbin amendment and the DeMint amendment after that. The day is shaping up to be so packed that a vote on the bill itself today is starting to look less likely.

12:05 p.m. DeMint describes the District as having been set up as a "neutral entity" where people would live and work who are "associated with the business of the federal government." This is the kind of tone-deaf argument that really aggravates D.C. residents. If Sen. DeMint is confused about whether there is a large proportion of people living and working in the District of Columbia who have no ties whatsoever to the federal government, we'd like to invite him to spend the day with us while we take him around town and introduce him to our city and the people who actually live here. Perhaps the senator just hasn't ever had the time to interact with D.C. residents. We'd be happy to help him rectify that.

12:25 p.m. DeMint and Durbin are now going back and forth on their fairness doctrine amendments. For those unfamiliar with the issue, here's some background. This is one of those things that comes up every few years. Durbin says his amendment would protect the FCC requirement for broadcasters to show a certain amount of public interest programming. DeMint says his amendment would merely prohibit the FCC from setting quotas for what fair and balanced broadcasting means.

Obviously, this issue has nothing at all do with D.C. voting rights.

12:48 p.m. Sen. George Voinovich (R-Ohio) has formally offered Ensign's 2nd amendment, tying the bill to the continuation of D.C.'s school voucher program, known as the D.C. Opportunity Scholarship Program, which provides up to $7500 per student to fund tuition and fees at private schools for low income D.C. students. This amendment is the result of the very recent release of the 2009 Omnibus spending bill, which has put the program in danger.

2:05 p.m. There was a bit of a break in S.160-related business there, but the Senate is about to begin voting on the Durbin Amendment, which, as he described it earlier, seeks to protect FCC requirements that broadcasters must show a certain amount of public interest programming and calls for the FCC to "encourage diversity in media ownership." It does not, as far as we understand it, actually reinstate the fairness doctrine.

2:30 p.m. The Durbin amendment has been approved, 57-41. Now, I'm by no means an expert on the history of the fairness doctrine, but one thing that strikes me here: If Sen. Durbin is really as much a friend to this bill as he says he is, it's pretty lame to attach an amendment that splits so strongly across party lines. It's possible, if not all that likely, that it could endanger the bill's passage because those Republicans who support the bill might not be able to stomach voting for it with this amendment attached. Now, it's my understanding that Durbin offered this amendment mostly in response to DeMint's amendment, and it does seem as though the votes are there for the bill no matter what, but still.

They're going to proceed to vote on the DeMint amendment now. How is it possible that both amendments could be in effect at the same time? DeMint's amendment, it seems, more or less just states that the Senate is against reinstating the fairness doctrine. Durbin's successful amendment did not actually bring the fairness doctrine back.

2:47 p.m. OK, I get it now. DeMint's amendment is going to pass by an overwhelming majority. Since so many Senate Democrats were planning to vote for it, they had to have Durbin offer his own amendment to make sure the language protecting public interest programming was included in the bill. These two amendments, together, actually add up to no policy changes at all. There will still be no fairness doctrine, and there will still be FCC regulations mandating public interest programming. So it goes in the United States Senate.

Final vote tally 87-11. The amendment passes.

2:53 p.m. Whew, OK, Lieberman just set up a ton of conditions that would lead up to there being a requirement to have 60 votes on the bill (at least, I think that's what he said -- it might have been 60 votes on the Ensign amendment, he spoke so fast I didn't totally keep up). He's asked that a couple of the amendments be withdrawn, and that the vote on the Ensign gun amendment be scheduled for 3:45 p.m.

John Thune has gone ahead and withdrawn his amendment in response to Lieberman's request. If you'll recall, Thune's amendment was also about guns, but would allow citizens to carry concealed firearms across state lines as long as they had permits from their home states to legally carry them.

3:14 p.m. We've had debate on the Ensign amendment for the last 15 minutes. Ensign came up and made much the same argument he did yesterday to strike down D.C.'s existing, post-Heller gun laws, and now Chuck Schumer is back again as well to repeat his opposition to this amendment.

3:58 p.m. The senators will now vote on the Ensign amendment, which would drop criminal penalties for possessing unregistered firearms inside the District of Columbia, and repeal the post-Heller gun registration regulations adopted by the D.C. Council. Earlier today, D.C. Council chair Vincent Gray and gun law author Phil Mendelson sent letters to Harry Reid and Joe Lieberman urging them to do all they could to prevent this amendment from passing. We've also heard a number of voting rights activists are down on the Hill for last-minute lobbying efforts against the amendment.

4:05 p.m. Bill co-sponsor Orrin Hatch (R-Ut.) has also voted for the Ensign amendment. That makes two amendments that voting rights supporters have really not wanted that Hatch has voted for. Lieberman, Hatch and Norton have just announced a joint press conference for today, immediately following the final vote (which we guess means there WILL be a final vote on the bill today). We sincerely hope someone asks Sen. Hatch about those two votes.

4:17 p.m. The Ensign amendment has passed, 62-36. This is a huge blow to the D.C. Council.

And now Harry Reid has called for a vote on the bill itself. This is all happening very fast now. They are going to read the bill again, with its amendments, and then vote.

4:30 p.m. As promised, Alaska Republican Lisa Murkowski has voted against the bill, despite earlier voting for cloture. We're still waiting on the final tally.

4:37 p.m. 61-37. The bill as amended is passed.

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Day 3: Still unconstitutional.

slapshot: still not a supreme court justice.

A DCist commenter saying that the bill is unconstitutional is hardly likely to affect the vote either way. It's nothing to get riled up about.

Plus, he's right. It is.

who's getting riled up? i'm just pointing out a fact.

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"Cardin further argues that the people of Maryland don't want the District to become part of their state.."

but who drives into DC for work? That's it...shut down all the bridges. Maryland, you are nothing to me. Pack your bags and leave.

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Too bad that would only keep the Virginians out.

Does anyone know why Maryland opposes regaining the District territory?

Because we already have a money sump, its called Baltimore. If you look at the DC approps bill and the IRS data, DC gets more from the feds in direct benefits than it pays in taxes.

"Does anyone know why Maryland opposes regaining the District territory?"

Have you been to D.C.?

i love how you DC haters only come out on threads like this one. we'd love to see what your thoughts are on the vibrant arts, music, and food scenes out there where you live. tell us a little more about why it's so much better than DC, eh?

I dunno Goph, I hear they have some pretty kickass Applebees' out across the river.

I don't care much about the arts scene, but the music and food here in silver spring is nice. Paying more taxes to support Ward 8, your inept patronage government legacy, the EMS/Fire dedicated to killing people, the urban lifestyle displayed on metro when school lets out, and all of the other dysfunctionality....no I think Ill pass.

Plus my council members don't park in front of hydrants.

just remember, adplatt, any scene of any sort whatsoever you have up there in silver spring goes poof if the district wasn't there...

Wouldn't the principle of self determination require that DC ALSO get to decide if they want retrocession back to Maryland????? I'm just saying; if we're going to talk about stuff that's unconstitutional and against the principles of the country, that would be as great a place to start as any...

Right. People keep talking about whether or not Maryland would want us, but really do we want Maryland?

Conceivably, many DC residents could live in Maryland and don't--which either says something about how much we value our "city lifestyles" over being able to vote or how much we don't like Maryland.

The solution seems clear to me: just pick up the town and move it five miles down the road. Now it's Lorton's problem.

Then again, DC was always Lorton's problem.

Yes, but to move DC, you'd have to first locate the Orchid station, take the elevator down to the bottom and turn the wheel. But then we'd have 600,000 people experiencing flashes and whistles every 20 minutes or so, nosebleeds everywhere, and the possibility of ending up in DC during the Jefferson administration...in which case, the locals would undoubtedly hunt us future folks all down with torches and pitchforks. Save us, Daniel Faraday!!!

Keep in mind that 25% of D.C. residents who are employed work in MD or VA.

That's what gets me about DC trying to pass a commuter tax on MD/VA people who work in DC. Don't you think Richmond/Annapolis are going to try and recover that revenue with a reciprocal tax on DC residents who work in VA/MD? Or are they just going to say, "Oh, well. I guess DC deserves that tax revenue and it's our loss?"

Most commuter taxes are reciprocal. A certain portion of your income tax is paid to the district where you work, and the remainder is paid to your home district. Thus, if you live in DC but work in VA, you might pay 2% to VA, and the remaining 7.8% of the taxes would be paid to DC (I think we're at 9.8%, but not positive - but it's just an example).

Everyone keeps saying that if the District were to impose a commuter tax, jobs would leave for MD and VA. Hogwash. Manhattan has a very high one, and no one is leaving for Brooklyn because of it. Columbus has one, but no one is leaving for Dublin or Delaware, OH (suburbs) just because some of their tax money goes to Columbus. Let's be realistic. This is a way for the core jobs location for the region to maintain core services for a whole chunk of people who spend a significant portion of their lives in the District. You can't keep piling on taxes on the residents - we just can't afford it anymore. THAT would drive residents from the city, reducing tax income even further, and driving down services even more.

Neither Manhattan nor NYC has a commuter tax. It was removed by the state in 1999. When it existed, it covered the whole city, and it was not very high at 0.45% (compare to Philly's 3.5%).

Yes, they will. That's why it's called a reciprocal tax. There are a lot more living outside DC and working inside than vice versa, but the taxes would flow both ways.

As I understand the implementation, the reciprocal tax is taken out of your state/DC taxes, so it doesn't add to your income tax total (though presumably if Maryland and Virginia lost enough tax dollars in the transfers they might have to raise their tax rates a little).

DC does not have self-determination; that's the whole point. Congress gets to speak for DC. Therefore, apart from constitutional concerns, retrocession would only require approval from Congress and the Maryland General Assembly. You don't get to decide if you want Maryland or not.

The retrocession of the Virginia land did involve a referendum in which the residents of that land voted.

People actually voted for Jon Kyl?

I got an email back from Senator Kyl. My favorite part:

"Unless you are suggesting that Congress should repeal Home Rule for the District and reclaim primary responsibility for the City's operations, I would encourage you to contact Mayor Fenty and members of the D.C. City Council to share your concerns."

superdude: that's awesome! what a passive-agressive email—there's a staffer in his office who needs a good smack upside the head.

RETROCESSION?! Are these people out of their g'dang minds!?!? Handing over the nation's capital to the control of a state government is ludacris! The whole point of why Washington founded the District would be completely undermined--read the history books kiddos--Washington is probably turning in his cold damp grave right now! The idea that 30 senators were willing to vote in such a radically fundamental change in the way our nation's capital is structured is mind-boggling! Why can't these people get their asses in gear and simply vote on the bill the way it was intended to be voted on! No wonder these baboons never get any work done--this is insane!

How rap is ruining our language, part 925:
The word is ludicrous, the person is Ludacris.

But, yes, you're right.

Actually, you should blame Mac, because if I were at home, I'd be on it, and it has spell check built into every application...but on this lovely Windows beast, no such feature, so it's Apple's fault I'm so spoiled by their amazing features! ;-)

Don't blame Windows per se, blame the Microsoft browser you are using. Does your employer allow you to install Chrome or Firefox? Ludacris is showing up misspelled using both of these browsers on Windows.

I don't know guys....I've got a funny feeling about this.
All of this is adding up to an 'Escape from L.A./New York'
scenario. Don't fence us in. Why should we care about Maryland or Virginia. What have they done for us? We can survive without them. I say we all take leave from our jobs today and visit the nearest Office Depot or Kinko to make signs of protest. All you Marylanders and Virginunites
excluded. Burma Shave!

If they had voted in recession, I'd choose Virginia...Maryland is almost as inept at local governance as DC is now...Virginia has Arlington and Alexandria...what does Maryland have? Baltimore *laughs hysterically* 'nuff said.

err...retrocession, see they got me so flustered I can't type...

here's why the republicans would never agree to retrocession to virginia—we would instantly change it from a state whose voters are evenly divided between democrats and republicans to one that is wholly, reliably, permanently democratic. they'd be a deep blue state from here on out.

come to think of it, that doesn't sound like a bad idea...

There's also the fact that the Virginia land was already retroceded in 1846. DC's current land all came from Maryland, so giving it to some other state would not be retrocession.

kcindc: you're right, retrocession is the wrong term. what would we call it—annexation?

How exactly are local governments in Maryland inept? Counties such as Montgomery must be doing something right, because their public schools are still some of the best in the nation. Most of the Maryland residents that I know (and I know lots of them) are very pleased with local government services.

If I required the assistance of police I would much much MUCH rather have MCPD handling the matter rather than DCPD.

Maryland also generally does not have problems with EMS and Firefighters that D.C. does.

Granted, taxes are higher in Maryland than in D.C., so one would expect the quality of services to be higher.

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Feinstein on gun control--idiocy

a large proportion of people living and working in the District of Columbia who have no ties whatsoever to the federal government
Let's not forget the large proportion of people living and working in the surrounding counties of Maryland and Virginia who do have ties to the federal government. Why is it dangerous for a government employee or contractor on one side of the border to have representation but suddenly perfectly safe if they move a block down the street into a state?

What the hell is Durbin doing, and why did all those others vote for this irrelevant amendment that can only cause the bill to lose support? Please, leave attempts to junk the bill up to Republicans, and concentrate on defeating those attempts.

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"Republicans who support the bill might not be able to stomach voting for it with this amendment attached"

I believe that almost all Republicans support this amendment, since it will prevent the FCC from reviving the Fairness Doctrine requiring equal points of view. In essence the Fairness Doctrine, if revived, would mean the end to Rush, Hannity, O’riely and Foxnews, as the stations that air these windbags, must give equal time to raging commie liberals.

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RJ, you seem to be talking about the DeMint amendment. Sommer was referring to the Durbin amendment.

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Correct you are. I think Republicans would have sold their first born to make sure that the Fairness Doctrine remains dead.

That's right KCinDC, but also, I didn't know at the time how much support the DeMint amendment had from Democrats. The whole thing was actually a wash, see my updates below that line.

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Whoo hoo on the gun admendment!! Maybe Mendy will finally get the message and do the right thing. Then again, he's had 3 chances to do so in the past and hasn't, so im not holding my breath.

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