Senate Debate Begins on Voting Rights Bill

2009_0228_senatedebate.jpg Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) came to the floor of the Senate at 10:31 a.m. to argue that S.160, the D.C. Voting Rights Act, is unconstitutional. Thus begins formal debate on the bill itself after yesterday's successful cloture vote. We'll be keeping an eye on the debate all day, noting that Mary Beth Sheridan reported this morning that Majority Leader Harry Reid has now said that a vote could come today.

McCain seems pretty agitated about the bill. He just called it an "attempt to buy votes," a "political deal."

BTW, C-SPAN2 just put up on the Chyron that the final vote on the Senate bill "could come Thursday."

10:51 a.m. McCain wraps up after having gone through a number of arguments, including that Utah should not be allowed to get an extra seat without being granted one by the U.S. Census. He says the way to get D.C. voting representatives in Congress is by constitutional amendment. He called the compromise with Utah "political horsetrading," and says he has no doubt this bill is unconstitutional.

10:57 a.m. Lieberman is responding to McCain now. We'll be seeing a lot of Lieberman, as the bill's manager, arguing for the District today.

11:20 a.m. Now it's our new favorite senator, Jon "All Members of Congress Represent D.C." Kyl! I tell you, with the one-two punch of McCain and Kyl arguing against the bill so far, it's a tough day to be an Arizona native turned loyal D.C. resident. Sigh.

11:39 a.m. Longtime voting rights proponent Patrick Leahy from Vermont has been speaking for a few minutes now. Leahy says Kyl's argument is "no substitution for direct representation." He's really mocking the notion that any senator's own constituents would be happy hearing that someone from some other state would be representing them.

11:50 a.m. OK, it looks like the Senate debate has now moved totally over to discussing a possible truth and reconciliation commission. Leahy turned to that topic and now Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) is taking up the cause. We'll come back if debate returns to S.160 later today.

12:01 p.m. Oh wait, it looks like this was an amendment? We didn't totally follow that, but it did pass. Lieberman made no objection to whatever the amendment was, so we'd say it wasn't a fatal amendment.

Now Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) has come up, and he's talking about D.C.'s handgun ban history. Since the Supreme Court's Heller ruling, "the D.C. Council has continued to exact onerous and unconstitutional firearms regulations on law abiding residents," he says. He's attaching an amendment to S.160 tying the voting rights bill to a repeal of the 2008 D.C. gun law. This does not bode well.

Ensign has a big chart "showing" how D.C.'s murder rates went up at the same time that our gun laws became more restrictive, so he's claiming what here, that the handgun ban only encouraged murders? Good grief, talk about bending statistics until they are meaningless. Perhaps Ensign is familiar with the crack epidemic?

12:22 p.m. Whoa. Alaska Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R) says she intends to introduce a constitutional amendment TODAY to get D.C. its voting representatives, and that she'll work to ensure its ratification. She'll be voting no against S.160, and her amendment will not be part of S.160. Murkowski, as you'll recall, was one of the surprise yes votes for yesterday's cloture vote. During her time on the floor, Murkowski noted that her state has only a slightly larger population than the District, and that she agreed that we deserve representation, but that she wants to "get it right the first time."

Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK), another of our favorite senators, then announced he is going to introduce legislation to exempt D.C. residents from federal income taxes. Leave it to Coburn to make a mockery of the District's status.

12:38 p.m. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) has now been rambling on against the bill for some time. Am now beginning to wonder how long I can continue to listen to these guys.

12:49 p.m. Maryland's Barbara Mikulski (D) has injected a little energy into the proceedings with her booming voice. She errs a little though, in our opinion, by focusing on how Eleanor Holmes Norton is so awesome that she should have the vote. We love Eleanor, but this bill shouldn't be about her. Sure, she'd presumably win the first special election for a real House member, but she won't be around forever, and District residents should hope that even more exciting and qualified candidates would decide to run for such a seat down the line.

12:54 p.m. "Big Bad" John Cornyn (R-Tex.) is here. He thinks it's a "very serious mistake" for the Senate to pass a bill that he believes is unconstitutional just because they "have the votes" to do it.

Heh. Cornyn starts keeping it real, asking his fellow senators whether they are willing to tell their constituents that their state lost out on a House member so that D.C. could have one. At least he's honest in his appeal to his colleague's interest in representing their state and their state alone. Cornyn's argument pokes some pretty big holes in Kyl's, though.

I should note, when McCain first began this debate this morning, he motioned for a "point of order" on the bill's constitutionality. A point of order means that McCain has moved that this bill constitutes a violation of a rule of the Senate. Most of the GOP senators who have gotten up to speak since then have argued in favor of McCain's point of order. I gather it's a little like asking for a case to be dismissed at the beginning of any trial.

1:35 p.m. DCist is grateful to Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley (R) for introducing an entirely unrelated bill. We will now hurry to resume your regularly scheduled DCist programming while we still can.

2:00 p.m. Sen. Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.), the oldest member of the Senate, is now on the floor. He's long opposed the D.C. Voting Rights Act, and is calling for a constitutional amendment rather than legislation. It's almost impossible to watch Byrd speak without giggling at his old coot style. "Where? In Congress! What's Congress? Here!"

2:15 p.m. The senators are now voting on McCain's point of order. It's not totally clear to me what might happen if the point of order is upheld -- would the Senate then be forced to abandon S.160 altogether? We'll see what happens.

2:36 p.m. The point of order has failed, by a vote of 36-62. So, no need to worry about its implications.

3:03 p.m. Sen. John Thune (R-SD) has introduced an amendment that would allow individuals to carry registered, concealed firearms across state lines if they have a valid permit. He claims this amendment is relevant to this debate because of all the conversation about the difference between "states" and "D.C."—of course, it's just a rather naked attempt to derail the legislation by adding an unrelated amendment.

3:16 p.m. Oh boy. Jon Kyl is back, this time to offer a retrocession amendment. I can't wait to see what Barbara Mikulski has to say about this! No serious person could ever think the current Maryland legislature would agree to retrocession.

3:29 p.m. Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) is making an impassioned speech on the floor right now about guns. He's doing a pretty good job of making John Thune look like a crass buffoon for introducing his amendment. "Kids are getting gunned down every day, particularly in Washington, D.C." Earlier Durbin went into some of the same issues he brought up yesterday -- that members of Congress routinely like to "play mayor" for the District of Columbia in a way they would treat no other jurisdiction.

3:56 p.m. If you're not watching C-SPAN2, you've missed out on Jim DeMint (R-S.C.), who introduced a fairness doctrine amendment. How is this relevant to the D.C. Voting Rights Act? "If we don’t respect the constitution on one end, why should we respect it on the other?" Good gravy.

OMG Sen. Roland Burris! Ehh, do we really want this guy coming to bat for us? Maybe!

4:18 p.m. Lieberman gave a long rebuttal to the amendment process that's now unfolding -- we missed a good chunk of it. Now Sen. Robert Bennett (R-Utah) is talking about the fairness doctrine amendment. I can't believe we're even discussing the fairness doctrine during this debate.

4:26 p.m. Tom Coburn is back, calling his amendment "simple." "While we wait for this to be settled," let's eliminate federal income tax for the residents of the District of Columbia, he says. He suggests D.C. would see enormous growth and modernization as a result. We suggest D.C. would become the world capital of organized crime. ... "By the way, this excludes all members of Congress." HAHA, thanks for the laughs, Coburn.

4:38 p.m. Chuck Schumer is scolding his colleagues for supporting Ensign's amendment, which would repeal the District's current gun laws. Points out that these same colleagues tend to support state's rights to decide these things, but not for the District.

5:47 p.m. So, the Senate is now going to vote on Coburn's amendment. It doesn't have a chance in hell, but OK, here we go.

6:11 p.m. Amendment to exempt D.C. residents from federal income tax fails, 7-91. Frankly, that's closer than we thought it would be.

6:30 p.m. Lieberman has moved that the Kyl amendment be the first amendment dealt with tomorrow morning. His motion sets up a vote on Jon Kyl's retrocession amendment for 10:30 a.m. on Thursday. In other words, no way we're going to see a vote on the bill itself tonight.

7:28 p.m. Reid finally called today's session to a close, reiterating when he did that Senate debate on S.160 will resume at 9:30 a.m. tomorrow, with the first hour being reserved for Jon Kyl's retrocession amendment, followed by a vote on that amendment at 10:30 a.m. After that, the debate will likely unfold much like it did today, with various roll calls and amendment votes. We'll be paying special attention to the fate of the Ensign amendment, which would repeal the District's current handgun registration laws. A final vote on the bill itself could come tomorrow, or Friday at the very latest.

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quit yer bitchin', old man.

glad to hear that he got upgraded from senator to supreme court justice, so he can rule on the constitutionality of legislation. bravo, mr. mccain!

Look, Senator Mccain, you don't know what it's like. I'm the one out there every day putting his ass on the line. And I'm not unconstitutional! You're unconstitutional! The whole freaking system is unconstitutional! You want the truth? You want the truth?! You can't HANDLE the truth! 'Cause when you reach over and put your hand into a pile of goo that was your best friend's face, you'll know what to do! Forget it, Mccain, it's Chinatown!

How 'bout that DC Voting Bill HENGHHHHH? HENGHHHHHHH?

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I wonder if this is more about UT getting an extra vote, then about DC getting the vote.

I seriously can't wait until DC gets its own Senators so that they can make pointless, long-winded, and profoundly uninformed arguments at the taxpayers' expense.

Buy votes, eh? Has the distiguished non-POTUS from Arizona forgotten that the bill will also add a seat in Utah? Any blue vote added by a DC seat in the house will ALWAYS be canceled out by the red Utah vote...just stop. Hear me, old man? Just. Stop. Pass the freaking bill and let GWB's Godfearin' SCOTUS shoot it down...then let's start pursuing statehood full-bore.

Ah...now I understand that the extra seat may not always reside in Utah. McCain's just afraid of what might happen after 2010...now I get it. Just like he's afraid of robots attacking he and his family and eating his prescription medication, and afraid of teenagers doing the sex and taking the pot. Hope that never happens...

That'd be the only constitutional way to do it. Passing this bill is just proof that the new Congress will ignore the Constitution whenever it is politically convenient.

Only states get house seats:

  • US Const., Article 1, Section 2:
    "The House of Representatives shall be composed of members chosen every second year by the people of the several states..."

  • US Const., Amendment 14, Section 2: "Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state..."

If DC wants to be a state, Congress can make it one:
  • US Const., Article 4, Section 3:
    "New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union; but no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress."

And the Constitution planned for DC to not be a state (in fact, for it to be carved out of a state):
US Const, Article 1, Section 8:
  • "Congress shall have the power ... to exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States"

If you add those up, it's pretty clear: Only states get House seats, Congress can admit news states, DC was not originally a state, and Congress has never admitted DC as a state.

It doesn't get much more crystalline than that.

"Lieberman is responding to McCain now. We'll be seeing a lot of Lieberman, as the bill's manager, arguing for the District today.

Wait, does this mean I have to stop hating Joe "Droopy" Lieberman?

No you don't have to... like everything else, this is self-serving for him. His interests temporarily align with ours, but he's still a tool.

I think the guy supporting DC voting rights is actually Lieberman's good twin. At least that's how I handle the cognitive dissonance. It was particularly bad having to applaud him in person at a reception some time back.

Utah should not be allowed to get an extra seat without being granted one by the U.S. Census
McCain doesn't understand the legislation. It adds two seats to the House, giving one to DC and the other to whichever state gets it by the normal apportionment process. Utah happens to be the state that gets it for now, until after the 2010 census. So Utah is being granted the seat by the U.S. Census. The number of seats in the House has changed many times before, and there's no reason 435 is somehow more legitimate than 437.

So, will this increase the size of the electoral college by one vote for the other representative - assuming DC will stay at three? If so that's another positive, no chance of a tie vote (unless you have a third-party candidate)in the electoral college. Whew, I can stop worrying about that and get some sleep.

Yes, the electoral college would expand to 539, so 270 would still be required to win, but there'd be no possibility of a tie (as long as the votes were split between only two candidates).

The constitution is such a nuisance.

What part of the "House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States" do you not understand?

Don't like it? Then pursue a constitutional amendment. Anything less is just flat-out unconstitutional.

Or pursue Statehood... or avoid douchish quibbling over semantics when the intent of the Framers (no taxation without representation) was pretty clear.

oh ok, and where is the section in the constitution that mentions "taxation without representation?

Gosh, you'd think that the section the framers actually wrote about House membership would reflect their intent on this topic rather than a phrase that doesn't appear in the constitution at all.

Does that mean that the "Commonwealth" of Virginia shouldn't get have Representatives either?

Yes! And as long as we're dorkily quibbling over semantics, how about that inconvenient phrase about "well-regulated militia"?

Virginia counts as a "state" under the Constitution because it was admitted to the union as a state (as one of the original states, none less). And, as a bonus, it was re-admitted in 1870 after the Civil War. It has nothing to do with whether the word "state" appears in the official name of the state.

If Congress wants to admit DC as a state, then DC would get a house seat and two senators, plus all the other bonuses that come with statehood.

If Congress does not admit DC as a state, then it would be unconstitutional to give it a house seat. The Constitution very clearly reserves house seats only to states.

It's chyron.. and that's the name of a company that makes the graphics generators.

Was something wrong with the words ticker, subtitle or caption? It seemed like over the summer everyone started acting like they were in the TV business and started using chyron.

i never heard the word 'chyron' until i started working with TV people here at NGS, and now it's seared into my brain.

Thanks for noting the typo. As someone who actually did used to work in the TV business, I've called it by its proper name for a long time, so not sure if it's suddenly become more popular lately.

Maybe one of the Congressmen who thinks this is unconstitutional, yet also a clear violation of our rights, should propose a f***ing Constitutional amendment. Wouldn't that make sense Senator McCain?

They did in 1978, ratified by only 16 states, need 38.

But that was 30 years ago.

And my point was that if these guys think it's so important that we have a vote, yet won't support this because of its unconsitutionality (is that a word?), then why don't they propose an amendment?

Because deep down inside, they really don't care.

Apparently, the Congressional Research Service (an official part of Congress) thinks that it is blatantly unconstitutional:

http://assets.opencrs.com/rpts/RL33824_20070124.pdf

Highlights:

  • "not only is the District of Columbia not a 'state' for purposes of representation, but that ongressional power over the District of Columbia does not represent a sufficient power to grant congressional representation."

  • "it would appear likely that the Congress does not have authority to grant voting representation in the House of Representatives to the Delegate from the District of Columbia"

  • "In sum, it is difficult to identify either constitutional text or existing case law which would directly support the allocation by Congress of the power to vote in the full House on the District of Columbia Delegate. Further, that case law which does exist would seem to indicate that not only is the District of Columbia not a “state” for purposes of representation, but that congressional power over the District of Columbia does not represent a sufficient power to grant congressional representation."

-And yet for the purposes of taxation, commerce, and the penal system, DC IS a "state."

-Which directly contradicted the last SCOTUS ruling that ONLY Congress has the power to grant voting representation to the District.

-I still say the only workable solution is the allow District residents to vote for representatives in the State of their choosing, via absentee ballot. You pay that state's tax rate, you vote for that state's reps. Overseas military do it all the time. Considering DC's about to become an armed camp ANYWAY, why not?


Apparently, the Congressional Research Service (an official part of Congress) thinks that it is blatantly unconstitutional

No, they do not think it is "blatantly unconstitutional". The full quote, including the bit at the front you left out, reads: "Although not beyond question, it would appear likely that the Congress does not have authority to grant voting representation in the House of Representatives to the Delegate from the District of Columbia".

Generally speaking, if something is blatant, then it is beyond question. Something that even its opponents concede to be "not beyond question" is typically not blatant.

Representation would be nice... but I'd sure as hell take the federal income tax exemption instead over whatever is being pushed forward. Talk about a stimulus...

Can someone explain to me why DC does not qualify as a "state" under the U.S. Constitution? Is it because the word "state" is not part of DC's official name? The same is true of Virginia, Massachusetts, and Pennsylvania. Is it because DC does not have Congressional representation? That would be rather circular.

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To give Kyl the benefit of the doubt, there is an argument that the Framers envisioned virtual representation by the entire congress as DC's congressional representation.

"the Framers actually seated the government in the federal district, ensuring that knowledge and self-interest would coincide so as to promote the District's needs, in the same way that the franchise attunes legislators to their district's needs. Thus, this representation, born of shared interest and concern, is real and tangible, reflected in federal government's financial commitment to the District, as well as Congress's close oversight of District government and affairs."

From the unbiased Heritage Foundation.

If this passes and goes to court, you will defiantly hear more about this.

"To give Kyl the benefit of the doubt, there is an argument that the Framers envisioned virtual representation by the entire congress as DC's congressional representation."

It's total bullshit when you study the history. Parliament tried the same exact trick when the colonists started calling for representation. Obviously the framers did not consider it sufficient.

Is it too late for DC to apply for membership in the British Commonwealth? I think the policies of the Original Nanny State and the DC City Council would dovetail quite nicely. And Jim Graham looks fabulous in a white wig.

Graham in a white wig. No. Give me Fenty in a white wig anyday. White wig cascading down between his velvety mocha shoulderblades..... mmmmmm....

What? We're way into this and not one douchebag has mentioned "Senator Marion Barry".

This is breaking with years of established demagoguery on this topic.

HOLY CRAP!! Senator Coburn (R-OK) is going to introduce legislation to exempt DC residents from Federal Income Tax rather then support DC voting rights.

Senator Murkowski (R-AK) is introducing a constitutional amendment to give DC voting rights.

Senator Sessions (R-AK) is bashing DC voting rights!!!

Can you imagine DC with no Federal income tax? It would become the number one destination for fat cats worried about tax shelters... I mean far beyond the fake loft canyons of East Dupont...

Yeah, I mean how would that work? Would we start building skyscrapers to accommodate 700 million people? What about the infrastructure? The Anacostia would just turn into sludge.

Um, the Anacostia is sludge. Where have you been? And what do you think comes out of your tap at home? Sunshine and farts?

That's what I'm talking about. Then my condo would be worth a bazillion dollars (tax free!), I can sell it, move just outside to Maryland, and get on with my life, rich, fat, and happy.

well, sen. murkowski, if you're serious about this, then i'll back you 100%. can't wait to see how this all shakes out.

I predict the constitutional amendment for DC voting rights will go the way of the constitutional amendment to ban flag burning. Grahamstanding at its finest.

Mikulski just woke me up- She is hard core.

Senator Cornyn keeps focusing on the constitution stating that is "STATES" and DC is not a state. However, when the constitution was written the District wasn't even thought of....

We are the Nations Capitol. We are bigger and better than any state. We are the ONES.

Addressing things that "weren't even thought of" when the Constitution was written is sort of what the Amendment process is for. On that subject, I'd like to applaud Sen. Murkowski for having the balls to do what every Democrat who's been offering such vocal support to DC voting rights should have done from the beginning. Hopefully her amendment will also address the issue of full representation and not just a House rep.

I'm going to hold off on the applause until I see what her amendment actually says. And I don't understand what the point of a constitutional amendment would be anyway. If it's not going to give DC residents the same status as other tax-paying American citizens, then what's the point? And if it does, then why not go with statehood or retrocession, which would accomplish that much more straightforwardly, without having to convince 38 state legislatures to support us?

So long as there's a couple million dollars earmarked for the perverted arts, I have no problem with this.

Regarding retrocession, where exactly do you think the District is going to retrocede to? Maryland? You would have a very tough time finding any Marylanders who want the District - and the myriad problems that come with it - to be in their state. Taxes in Maryland are high enough without the District sucking up loads of tax dollars to repair failed/failing schools and run-down city services.

I'm not sure, but I would guess that Virginia doesn't want D.C. either. Of course, you'd have to pose that question to people living south of the river.

Maybe Delaware would be willing to take you.

No state wants the GITMO detainees, either. But someone has to take them. Not to make the correlation between GITMOS's innnocent, sweet natured residents and the skulking denizens of that third-rate Eisengard-on-the-Potomac. That would be an insult to alleged terrorists.

steven d.: unfortunately, you're incorrect. when the constitution was written, the district sure was thought of, right here in article one, section 8, clause 17 (the district clause).

Cornyn starts keeping it real, asking his fellow senators whether they are willing to tell their constituents that their state lost out on a House member so that D.C. could have one.
The reason the bill increases the size of the House is precisely to avoid that situation. No state will lose out on a House member to give DC one. Cornyn, like McCain, does not understand the legislation he's arguing against.

Which is kinda what happens when you don't read legislation. None of these guys do. They just skim the summary their staffer cobbled together from Google/Lexis-Nexis/Mr. Skin searches.

The fact that we've wasted even one legislative day while the country is in "crisis" debating whether 600,000 of its citizens deserve the right to vote mocks the American notion of "democracy" about as much as 5 judges deciding who gets to be president based on who it was who appointed them to the job. As for the constitution, even to an obtuse literalist like Justice Scallia, the equal protection clause should carry a lot more weight than whether the citizens of the district--which was at the time the document was penned was occupied largely by lawmakers from other states and their slaves--are entitled the same rights and protections of citizens of other "states." If the district can't ban handguns because doing so would...ehem..."rob" its [American] citizens of the "constitutional right" to bear arms, then, by the same logic, the consitution can't be used to disenfranchise them of other rights either.

So you're in favor of bringing back slavery and arming bears?

Only if the bears get to vote.

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Fine, DC will repeal the gun laws and allow concealed guns from other states if Congress gets rid of all their metal detectors and security guards.

fyi, here's Murkowski's press release about her proposed constitutional amendment. But the release doesn't actually say what will be in the proposed amendment. And interestingly, the press release only refers to a vote in the House. So I assume Murkowski is not in favor of having senators from DC.


Gosh, you'd think that the section the framers actually wrote about House membership would reflect their intent on this topic rather than a phrase that doesn't appear in the constitution at all.

That may seem intuitive, but that's not always the case. The framers, after all, weren't working sui generis, but rather within the framework of English common law and a philosophical tradition of "natural law". As a result, many key Supreme Court decisions have turned not on the Constitution, but on English law and philosophy that predated it.

For example, consider District of Columbia v. Heller. Many jurists considered the District's strongest argument, which formed the basis for the dissenting opinion in the Court of Appeals, to be that the 2nd Amendment applies to the federal government and to the states. If the District is not a state, then it does not need to comply with the 2nd Amendment, and Dick Heller can cry his gun-less self to sleep.

The Supreme Court rejected that argument with an extraconstitutional argument, ruling that the 2nd Amendment, like the 1st and 4th Amendment, constitutes a natural right that precedes and was merely confirmed in the Constitution. Now, there's a great deal of evidence that the framers believed that parliamentary representation (for white male landowners, anyway) was a right under natural law, a position often expressed as "no taxation without representation"...

Now, I wouldn't be surprised if Scalia, who wrote the majority opinion in Heller, finds a plausible way to distinguish the natural rights in Heller from those in the District of Columbia House Voting Rights Act; he's a pro at this sort of politically-expedient hairsplitting. But I also wouldn't be surprised if he listens to Kenneth Starr and votes to uphold it either.

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